Monday, January 22, 2007

BIG BEN'S BIG ASSIGNMENT... OOOH... OUCH!

Now that we’ve set the stage, so to speak, with a liberal slathering on of Puritan ideology and its cultural, theological, and governmental implications, we should be ready to dig our cerebral mitts into the origins of revolutionary rhetoric. We’ll start slowly with a friendly, familiar character, Benjamin Franklin. You know, the chubby bald fellow with the kite, almanac and French ladies of ill repute.
YOUR JOBS:

1. CHOOSE A PARTNER/ADVERSARY AND…
2. READ THE FOLLOWING LETTER WRITTEN BY YOUR NEW PAL, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN.
3. USING WHAT YOU KNOW OF HIM, DECIDE THE EXTENT TO WHICH FRANKLIN MEANT THIS ARGUMENT EARNESTLY OR SATIRICALLY IN 150-200 WORDS. THEN EITHER…
4. CONFIRM FRANKLIN’S ARGUMENT BY PRESENTING AN IDEAL POSITIVE EXAMPLE CARRIED TO ITS LOGICAL CONCLUSION IN 150-200 WORDS OR…
5. CONFOUND FRANKLIN’S ARGUMENT BY PRESENTING AN IDEAL NEGATIVE EXAMPLE CARRIED TO ITS LOGICAL CONCLUSION IN 150-200 WORDS. THEN…
6. DISCUSS HOW THIS MAY HAVE RELATED TO THE PURITAN MORES STILL PREVALENT, THOUGH WANING, AT THIS TIME IN 150-200 WORDS. THEN…
7. DISCUSS HOW THIS MIGHT ALSO APPLY TO THE OPENING LINES OF THOMAS JEFFERSON’S DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE IN 150-200 WORDS.
8. COMBINE THESE ELEMENTS INTO ONE COHESIVE, PERSUASIVE ESSAY OF 750-1000 WORDS.
GOOD LUCK AND ENJOY!
A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain
Whatever is, is in its Causes just 
Since all Things are by Fate; but purblind Man 
Sees but a part o' th' Chain, the nearest Link,
 His Eyes not carrying to the equal Beam
 That poises all above.

~John Dryden
I have here, according to your Request, given you my present Thoughts of the general State of Things in the Universe. Such as they are, you have them, and are welcome to 'em; and if they yield you any Pleasure or Satisfaction, I shall think my Trouble sufficiently compensated. I know my Scheme will be liable to many Objections from a less discerning Reader than your self; but it is not design'd for those who can't understand it. I need not give you any Caution to distinguish the hypothetical Parts of the Argument from the conclusive: You will easily perceive what I design for Demonstration, and what for Probability only. The whole I leave entirely to you, and shall value my self more or less on this account, in proportion to your Esteem and Approbation.
SECT. I. Of Liberty and Necessity.
I. There is said to be a First Mover, who is called GOD, Maker of the Universe.
II. He is said to be all-wise, all-good, all powerful.
These two Propositions being allow'd and asserted by People of almost every Sect and Opinion; I have here suppos'd them granted, and laid them down as the Foundation of my Argument; What follows then, being a Chain of Consequences truly drawn from them, will stand or fall as they are true or false.
III. If He is all-good, whatsoever He doth must be good.
IV. If He is all-wise, whatsoever He doth must be wise.
The Truth of these Propositions, with relation to the two first, I think may be justly call'd evident; since, either that infinite Goodness will act what is ill, or infinite Wisdom what is not wise, is too glaring a Contradiction not to be perceiv'd by any Man of common Sense, and deny'd as soon as understood.
V. If He is all-powerful, there can be nothing either existing or acting in the Universe against or without his Consent; and what He consents to must be good, because He is good; therefore Evil doth not exist.
Unde Malum? has been long a Question, and many of the Learned have perplex'd themselves and Readers to little Purpose in Answer to it. That there are both Things and Actions to which we give the Name of Evil, is not here deny'd, as Pain, Sickness, Want, Theft, Murder, &c. but that these and the like are not in reality Evils, Ills, or Defects in the Order of the Universe, is demonstrated in the next Section, as well as by this and the following Proposition. Indeed, to suppose any Thing to exist or be done, contrary to the Will of the Almighty, is to suppose him not almighty; or that Something (the Cause of Evil) is more mighty than the Almighty; an Inconsistence that I think no One will defend: And to deny any Thing or Action, which he consents to the existence of, to be good, is entirely to destroy his two Attributes of Wisdom and Goodness.
There is nothing done in the Universe, say the Philosophers, but what God either does, or permits to be done. This, as He is Almighty, is certainly true: But what need of this Distinction between doing and permitting? Why, first they take it for granted that many Things in the Universe exist in such a Manner as is not for the best, and that many Actions are done which ought not to be done, or would be better undone; these Things or Actions they cannot ascribe to God as His, because they have already attributed to Him infinite Wisdom and Goodness; Here then is the Use of the Word Permit; He permits them to be done, say they. But we will reason thus: If God permits an Action to be done, it is because he wants either Power or Inclination to hinder it; in saying he wants Power, we deny Him to be almighty; and if we say Hewants Inclination or Will, it must be, either because He is not Good, or the Action is not evil, (for all Evil is contrary to the Essence of infinite Goodness.) The former is inconsistent with his before-given Attribute of Goodness, therefore the latter must be true.
It will be said, perhaps, that God permits evil Actions to be done, for wise Ends and Purposes. But this Objection destroys itself; for whatever an infinitely good God hath wise Ends in suffering to be, must be good, is thereby made good, and cannot be otherwise.
VI. If a Creature is made by God, it must depend upon God, and receive all its Power from Him; with which Power the Creature can do nothing contrary to the Will of God, because God is Almighty; what is not contrary to His Will, must be agreeable to it; what is agreeable to it, must be good, because He is Good; therefore a Creature can do nothing but what is good.
This Proposition is much to the same Purpose with the former, but more particular; and its Conclusion is as just and evident. Tho' a Creature may do many Actions which by his Fellow Creatures will be nam'd Evil, and which will naturally and necessarily cause or bring upon the Doer, certain Pains (which will likewise be call'd Punishments;) yet this Proposition proves, that he cannot act what will be in itself really Ill, or displeasing to God. And that the painful Consequences of his evil Actions (so call'd) are not, as indeed they ought not to be, Punishments or Unhappinesses, will be shewn hereafter.
Nevertheless, the late learned Author of The Religion of Nature, (which I send you herewith) has given us a Rule or Scheme, whereby to discover which of our Actions ought to be esteem'd and denominated good, and which evil: It is in short this, "Every Action which is done according to Truth, is good; and every Action contrary to Truth, is evil: To act according to Truth is to use and esteem every Thing as what it is, &c. Thus if A steals a Horse from B, and rides away upon him, he uses him not as what he is in Truth, viz. the Property of another, but as his own, which is contrary to Truth, and therefore evil". But, as this Gentleman himself says, (Sect. I. Prop. VI.) "In order to judge rightly what any Thing is, it must be consider'd, not only what it is in one Respect, but also what it may be in any other Respect; and the whole Description of the Thing ought to be taken in:" So in this Case it ought to be consider'd, that A is naturally a covetous Being, feeling an Uneasiness in the want of B's Horse, which produces an Inclination for stealing him, stronger than his Fear of Punishment for so doing. This is Truth likewise, and A acts according to it when he steals the Horse. Besides, if it is prov'd to be a Truth, that A has not Power over his own Actions, it will be indisputable that he acts according to Truth, and impossible he should do otherwise.
I would not be understood by this to encourage or defend Theft; 'tis only for the sake of the Argument, and will certainly have no ill Effect. The Order and Course of Things will not be affected by Reasoning of this Kind; and 'tis as just and necessary, and as much according to Truth, for B to dislike and punish the Theft of his Horse, as it is for A to steal him.
VII. If the Creature is thus limited in his Actions, being able to do only such Things as God would have him to do, and not being able to refuse doing what God would have done; then he can have no such Thing as Liberty, Free-will or Power to do or refrain an Action.
By Liberty is sometimes understood the Absence of Opposition; and in this Sense, indeed, all our Actions may be said to be the Effects of our Liberty: But it is a Liberty of the same Nature with the Fall of a heavy Body to the Ground; it has Liberty to fall, that is, it meets with nothing to hinder its Fall, but at the same Time it is necessitated to fall, and has no Power or Liberty to remain suspended.
But let us take the Argument in another View, and suppose ourselves to be, in the common sense of the Word, Free Agents. As Man is a Part of this great Machine, the Universe, his regular Acting is requisite to the regular moving of the whole. Among the many Things which lie before him to be done, he may, as he is at Liberty and his Choice influenc'd by nothing, (for so it must be, or he is not at Liberty) chuse any one, and refuse the rest. Now there is every Moment something best to be done, which is alone then good, and with respect to which, every Thing else is at that Time evil. In order to know which is best to be done, and which not, it is requisite that we should have at one View all the intricate Consequences of every Action with respect to the general Order and Scheme of the Universe, both present and future; but they are innumerable and incomprehensible by any Thing but Omniscience. As we cannot know these, we have but as one Chance to ten thousand, to hit on the right Action; we should then be perpetually blundering about in the Dark, and putting the Scheme in Disorder; for every wrong Action of a Part, is a Defect or Blemish in the Order of the Whole. Is it not necessary then, that our Actions should be over-rul'd and govern'd by an all-wise Providence? -- How exact and regular is every Thing in the natural World! How wisely in every Part contriv'd! We cannot here find the least Defect! Those who have study'd the mere animal and vegetable Creation, demonstrate that nothing can be more harmonious and beautiful! All the heavenly Bodies, the Stars and Planets, are regulated with the utmost Wisdom! And can we suppose less Care to be taken in the Order of the moral than in the natural System? It is as if an ingenious Artificer, having fram'd a curious Machine or Clock, and put its many intricate Wheels and Powers in such a Dependance on one another, that the whole might move in the most exact Order and Regularity, had nevertheless plac'd in it several other Wheels endu'd with an independent Self-Motion, but ignorant of the general Interest of the Clock; and these would every now and then be moving wrong, disordering the true Movement, and making continual Work for the Mender; which might better be prevented, by depriving them of that Power of Self-Motion, and placing them in a Dependance on the regular Part of the Clock.
VIII. If there is no such Thing as Free-Will in Creatures, there can be neither Merit nor Demerit in Creatures.
IX. And therefore every Creature must be equally esteem'd by the Creator.
These Propositions appear to be the necessary Consequences of the former. And certainly no Reason can be given, why the Creator should prefer in his Esteem one Part of His Works to another, if with equal Wisdom and Goodness he design'd and created them all, since all Ill or Defect, as contrary to his Nature, is excluded by his Power. We will sum up the Argument thus, When the Creator first design'd the Universe, either it was His Will and Intention that all Things should exist and be in the Manner they are at this Time; or it was his Will they should be otherwise i. e. in a different Manner: To say it was His Will Things should be otherwise than they are, is to say Somewhat hath contradicted His Will, and broken His Measures, which is impossible because inconsistent with his Power; therefore we must allow that all Things exist now in a Manner agreeable to His Will, and in consequence of that are all equally Good, and therefore equally esteem'd by Him.
I proceed now to shew, that as all the Works of the Creator are equally esteem'd by Him, so they are, as in Justice they ought to be, equally us'd.
SECT. II. Of Pleasure and Pain.
I. When a Creature is form'd and endu'd with Life, 'tis suppos'd to receive a Capacity of the Sensation of Uneasiness or Pain.
It is this distinguishes Life and Consciousness from unactive unconscious Matter. To know or be sensible of Suffering or being acted upon is to live; and whatsoever is not so, among created Things, is properly and truly dead.
All Pain and Uneasiness proceeds at first from and is caus'd by Somewhat without and distinct from the Mind itself. The Soul must first be acted upon before it can re-act. In the Beginning of Infancy it is as if it were not; it is not conscious of its own Existence, till it has receiv'd the first Sensation of Pain; then, and not before, it begins to feel itself, is rous'd, and put into Action; then it discovers its Powers and Faculties, and exerts them to expel the Uneasiness. Thus is the Machine set on work; this is Life. We are first mov'd by Pain, and the whole succeeding Course of our Lives is but one continu'd Series of Action with a View to be freed from it. As fast as we have excluded one Uneasiness another appears, otherwise the Motion would cease. If a continual Weight is not apply'd, the Clock will stop. And as soon as the Avenues of Uneasiness to the Soul are choak'd up or cut off, we are dead, we think and act no more.
II. This Uneasiness, whenever felt, produces Desire to be freed from it, great in exact proportion to the Uneasiness.
Thus is Uneasiness the first Spring and Cause of all Action; for till we are uneasy in Rest, we can have no Desire to move, and without Desire of moving there can be no voluntary Motion. The Experience of every Man who has observ'd his own Actions will evince the Truth of this; and I think nothing need be said to prove that the Desire will be equal to the Uneasiness, for the very Thing implies as much: It is not Uneasiness unless we desire to be freed from it, nor a great Uneasiness unless the consequent Desire is great.
I might here observe, how necessary a Thing in the Order and Design of the Universe this Pain or Uneasiness is, and how beautiful in its Place! Let us but suppose it just now banish'd the World entirely, and consider the Consequence of it: All the Animal Creation would immediately stand stock still, exactly in the Posture they were in the Moment Uneasiness departed; not a Limb, not a Finger would henceforth move; we should all be reduc'd to the Condition of Statues, dull and unactive: Here I should continue to sit motionless with the Pen in my Hand thus ------ and neither leave my Seat nor write one Letter more. This may appear odd at first View, but a little Consideration will make it evident; for 'tis impossible to assign any other Cause for the voluntary Motion of an Animal than its uneasiness in Rest. What a different Appearance then would the Face of Nature make, without it! How necessary is it! And how unlikely that the Inhabitants of the World ever were, or that the Creator ever design'd they should be, exempt from it!
I would likewise observe here, that the VIIIth Proposition in the preceding Section, viz. That there is neither Merit nor Demerit, &c. is here again demonstrated, as infallibly, tho' in another manner: For since Freedom from Uneasiness is the End of all our Actions, how is it possible for us to do any Thing disinterested? -- How can any Action be meritorious of Praise or Dispraise, Reward or Punishment, when the natural Principle of Self-Love is the only and the irresistible Motive to it?
III. This Desire is always fulfill'd or satisfy'd,
In the Design or End of it, tho' not in the Manner: The first is requisite, the latter not. To exemplify this, let us make a Supposition; A Person is confin'd in a House which appears to be in imminent Danger of Falling, this, as soon as perceiv'd, creates a violent Uneasiness, and that instantly produces an equal strong Desire, the End of which is freedom from the Uneasiness, and the Manner or Way propos'd to gain this End, is to get out of the House. Now if he is convinc'd by any Means, that he is mistaken, and the House is not likely to fall, he is immediately freed from his Uneasiness, and the End of his Desire is attain'd as well as if it had been in the Manner desir'd, viz. leaving the House.
All our different Desires and Passions proceed from and are reducible to this one Point, Uneasiness, tho' the Means we propose to ourselves for expelling of it are infinite. One proposes Fame, another Wealth, a third Power, &c. as the Means to gain this End; but tho' these are never attain'd, if the Uneasiness be remov'd by some other Means, the Desire is satisfy'd. Now during the Course of Life we are ourselves continually removing successive Uneasinesses as they arise, and the last we suffer is remov'd by the sweet Sleep of Death.
IV. The fulfilling or Satisfaction of this Desire, produces the Sensation of Pleasure, great or small in exact proportion to the Desire.
Pleasure is that Satisfaction which arises in the Mind upon, and is caus'd by, the accomplishment of our Desires, and by no other Means at all; and those Desires being above shewn to be caus'd by our Pains or Uneasinesses, it follows that Pleasure is wholly caus'd by Pain, and by no other Thing at all.
V. Therefore the Sensation of Pleasure is equal, or in exact proportion to the Sensation of Pain.
As the Desire of being freed from Uneasiness is equal to the Uneasiness, and the Pleasure of satisfying that Desire equal to the Desire, the Pleasure thereby produc'd must necessarily be equal to the Uneasiness or Pain which produces it: Of three Lines, A, B, and C, if A is equal to B, and B to C, C must be equal to A. And as our Uneasinesses are always remov'd by some Means or other, it follows that Pleasure and Pain are in their Nature inseparable: So many Degrees as one Scale of the Ballance descends, so many exactly the other ascends; and one cannot rise or fall without the Fall or Rise of the other: 'Tis impossible to taste of Pleasure, without feeling its preceding proportionate Pain; or to be sensible of Pain, without having its necessary Consequent Pleasure: The highest Pleasure is only Consciousness of Freedom from the deepest Pain, and Pain is not Pain to us unless we ourselves are sensible of it. They go Hand in Hand; they cannot be divided.
You have a View of the whole Argument in a few familiar Examples: The Pain of Abstinence from Food, as it is greater or less, produces a greater or less Desire of Eating, the Accomplishment of this Desire produces a greater or less Pleasure proportionate to it. The Pain of Confinement causes the Desire of Liberty, which accomplish'd, yields a Pleasure equal to that Pain of Confinement. The Pain of Labour and Fatigue causes the Pleasure of Rest, equal to that Pain. The Pain of Absence from Friends, produces the Pleasure of Meeting in exact proportion. &c.
This is the fixt Nature of Pleasure and Pain, and will always be found to be so by those who examine it.
One of the most common Arguments for the future Existence of the Soul, is taken from the generally suppos'd Inequality of Pain and Pleasure in the present; and this, notwithstanding the Difficulty by outward Appearances to make a Judgment of another's Happiness, has been look'd upon as almost unanswerable: but since Pain naturally and infallibly produces a Pleasure in proportion to it, every individual Creature must, in any State of Life, have an equal Quantity of each, so that there is not, on that Account, any Occasion for a future Adjustment.
Thus are all the Works of the Creator equally us'd by him; And no Condition of Life or Being is in itself better or preferable to another: The Monarch is not more happy than the Slave, nor the Beggar more miserable than Croesus. Suppose A, B, and C, three distinct Beings; A and B, animate, capable of Pleasure and Pain, C an inanimate Piece of Matter, insensible of either. A receives ten Degrees of Pain, which are necessarily succeeded by ten Degrees of Pleasure: B receives fifteen of Pain, and the consequent equal Number of Pleasure: C all the while lies unconcern'd, and as he has not suffer'd the former, has no right to the latter. What can be more equal and just than this? When the Accounts come to be adjusted, A has no Reason to complain that his Portion of Pleasure was five Degrees less than that of B, for his Portion of Pain was five Degrees less likewise: Nor has B any Reason to boast that his Pleasure was five Degrees greater than that of A, for his Pain was proportionate: They are then both on the same Foot with C, that is, they are neither Gainers nor Losers.
It will possibly be objected here, that even common Experience shews us, there is not in Fact this Equality: "Some we see hearty, brisk and chearful perpetually, while others are constantly burden'd with a heavy Load of Maladies and Misfortunes, remaining for Years perhaps in Poverty, Disgrace, or Pain, and die at last without any Appearance of Recompence." Now tho' 'tis not necessary, when a Proposition is demonstrated to be a general Truth, to shew in what manner it agrees with the particular Circumstances of Persons, and indeed ought not to be requir'd; yet, as this is a common Objection, some Notice may be taken of it: And here let it be observ'd, that we cannot be proper Judges of the good or bad Fortune of Others; we are apt to imagine, that what would give us a great Uneasiness or a great Satisfaction, has the same Effect upon others: we think, for Instance, those unhappy, who must depend upon Charity for a mean Subsistence, who go in Rags, fare hardly, and are despis'd and scorn'd by all; not considering that Custom renders all these Things easy, familiar, and even pleasant. When we see Riches, Grandeur and a chearful Countenance, we easily imagine Happiness accompanies them, when oftentimes 'tis quite otherwise: Nor is a constantly sorrowful Look, attended with continual Complaints, an infallible Indication of Unhappiness. In short, we can judge by nothing but Appearances, and they are very apt to deceive us. Some put on a gay chearful Outside, and appear to the World perfectly at Ease, tho' even then, some inward Sting, some secret Pain imbitters all their Joys, and makes the Ballance even: Others appear continually dejected and full of Sorrow; but even Grief itself is sometimes pleasant, and Tears are not always without their Sweetness: Besides, Some take a Satisfaction in being thought unhappy, (as others take a Pride in being thought humble,) these will paint their Misfortunes to others in the strongest Colours, and leave no Means unus'd to make you think them thoroughly miserable; so great a Pleasure it is to them to be pitied; Others retain the Form and outside Shew of Sorrow, long after the Thing itself, with its Cause, is remov'd from the Mind; it is a Habit they have acquir'd and cannot leave. These, with many others that might be given, are Reasons why we cannot make a true Estimate of the Equality of the Happiness and Unhappiness of others; and unless we could, Matter of Fact cannot be opposed to this Hypothesis. Indeed, we are sometimes apt to think, that the Uneasinesses we ourselves have had, outweigh our Pleasures; but the Reason is this, the Mind takes no Account of the latter, they slip away un-remark'd, when the former leave more lasting Impressions on the Memory. But suppose we pass the greatest part of Life in Pain and Sorrow, suppose we die by Torments and think no more, 'tis no Diminution to the Truth of what is here advanc'd; for the Pain, tho' exquisite, is not so to the last Moments of Life, the Senses are soon benumm'd, and render'd incapable of transmitting it so sharply to the Soul as at first; She perceives it cannot hold long, and 'tis an exquisite Pleasure to behold the immediate Approaches of Rest. This makes an Equivalent tho' Annihilation should follow: For the Quantity of Pleasure and Pain is not to be measur'd by its Duration, any more than the Quantity of Matter by its Extension; and as one cubic Inch may be made to contain, by Condensation, as much Matter as would fill ten thousand cubic Feet, being more expanded, so one single Moment of Pleasure may outweigh and compensate an Age of Pain.
It was owing to their Ignorance of the Nature of Pleasure and Pain that the Antient Heathens believ'd the idle Fable of their Elizium, that State of uninterrupted Ease and Happiness! The Thing is intirely impossible in Nature! Are not the Pleasures of the Spring made such by the Disagreeableness of the Winter? Is not the Pleasure of fair Weather owing to the Unpleasantness of foul? Certainly. Were it then always Spring, were the Fields always green and flourishing, and the Weather constantly serene and fair, the Pleasure would pall and die upon our Hands; it would cease to be Pleasure to us, when it is not usher'd in by Uneasiness. Could the Philosopher visit, in reality, every Star and Planet with as much Ease and Swiftness as he can now visit their Ideas, and pass from one to another of them in the Imagination; it would be a Pleasure I grant; but it would be only in proportion to the Desire of accomplishing it, and that would be no greater than the Uneasiness suffer'd in the Want of it. The Accomplishment of a long and difficult Journey yields a great Pleasure; but if we could take a Trip to the Moon and back again, as frequently and with as much Ease as we can go and come from Market, the Satisfaction would be just the same.
The Immateriality of the Soul has been frequently made use of as an Argument for its Immortality; but let us consider, that tho' it should be allow'd to be immaterial, and consequently its Parts incapable of Separation or Destruction by any Thing material, yet by Experience we find, that it is not incapable of Cessation of Thought, which is its Action. When the Body is but a little indispos'd it has an evident Effect upon the Mind; and a right Disposition of the Organs is requisite to a right Manner of Thinking. In a sound Sleep sometimes, or in a Swoon, we cease to think at all; tho' the Soul is not therefore then annihilated, but exists all the while tho' it does not act; and may not this probably be the Case after Death? All our Ideas are first admitted by the Senses and imprinted on the Brain, increasing in Number by Observation and Experience; there they become the Subjects of the Soul's Action. The Soul is a mere Power or Faculty of contemplating on, and comparing those Ideas when it has them; hence springs Reason: But as it can think on nothing but Ideas, it must have them before it can think at all. Therefore as it may exist before it has receiv'd any Ideas, it may exist before it thinks. To remember a Thing, is to have the Idea of it still plainly imprinted on the Brain, which the Soul can turn to and contemplate on Occasion. To forget a Thing, is to have the Idea of it defac'd and destroy'd by some Accident, or the crouding in and imprinting of great variety of other Ideas upon it, so that the Soul cannot find out its Traces and distinguish it. When we have thus lost the Idea of any one Thing, we can think no more, or cease to think, on that Thing; and as we can lose the Idea of one Thing, so we may of ten, twenty, a hundred, &c. and even of all Things, because they are not in their Nature permanent; and often during Life we see that some Men, (by an Accident or Distemper affecting the Brain,) lose the greatest Part of their Ideas, and remember very little of their past Actions and Circumstances. Now upon Death, and the Destruction of the Body, the Ideas contain'd in the Brain, (which are alone the Subjects of the Soul's Action) being then likewise necessarily destroy'd, the Soul, tho' incapable of Destruction itself, must then necessarily cease to think or act, having nothing left to think or act upon. It is reduc'd to its first inconscious State before it receiv'd any Ideas. And to cease to think is but little different from ceasing to be.
Nevertheless, 'tis not impossible that this same Faculty of contemplating Ideas may be hereafter united to a new Body, and receive a new Set of Ideas; but that will no way concern us who are now living; for the Identity will be lost, it is no longer that same Self but a new Being.
I shall here subjoin a short Recapitulation of the Whole, that it may with all its Parts be comprehended at one View.
1. It is suppos'd that God the Maker and Governour of the Universe, is infinitely wise, good, and powerful.
2. In consequence of His infinite Wisdom and Goodness, it is asserted, that whatever He doth must be infinitely wise and good;
3. Unless He be interrupted, and His Measures broken by some other Being, which is impossible because He is Almighty.
4. In consequence of His infinite Power, it is asserted, that nothing can exist or be done in the Universe which is not agreeable to His Will, and therefore good.
5. Evil is hereby excluded, with all Merit and Demerit; and likewise all preference in the Esteem of God, of one Part of the Creation to another. This is the Summary of the first Part.
Now our common Notions of Justice will tell us, that if all created Things are equally esteem'd by the Creator, they ought to be equally us'd by Him; and that they are therefore equally us'd, we might embrace for Truth upon the Credit, and as the true Consequence of the foregoing Argument. Nevertheless we proceed to confirm it, by shewing how they are equally us'd, and that in the following Manner.
1. A Creature when endu'd with Life or Consciousness, is made capable of Uneasiness or Pain.
2. This Pain produces Desire to be freed from it, in exact proportion to itself.
3. The Accomplishment of this Desire produces an equal Pleasure.
4. Pleasure is consequently equal to Pain.
From these Propositions it is observ'd,
1. That every Creature hath as much Pleasure as Pain.
2. That Life is not preferable to Insensibility; for Pleasure and Pain destroy one another: That Being which has ten Degrees of Pain subtracted from ten of Pleasure, has nothing remaining, and is upon an equality with that Being which is insensible of both.
3. As the first Part proves that all Things must be equally us'd by the Creator because equally esteem'd; so this second Part demonstrates that they are equally esteem'd because equally us'd.
4. Since every Action is the Effect of Self-Uneasiness, the Distinction of Virtue and Vice is excluded; and Prop. VIII. in Sect. I. again demonstrated.
5. No State of Life can be happier than the present, because Pleasure and Pain are inseparable.
Thus both Parts of this Argument agree with and confirm one another, and the Demonstration is reciprocal.
I am sensible that the Doctrine here advanc'd, if it were to be publish'd, would meet with but an indifferent Reception. Mankind naturally and generally love to be flatter'd: Whatever sooths our Pride, and tends to exalt our Species above the rest of the Creation, we are pleas'd with and easily believe, when ungrateful Truths shall be with the utmost Indignation rejected. "What! bring ourselves down to an Equality with the Beasts of the Field! with the meanest part of the Creation! 'Tis insufferable!" But, (to use a Piece of common Sense) our Geese are but Geese tho' we may think 'em Swans; and Truth will be Truth tho' it sometimes prove mortifying and distasteful.
~Benjamin Franklin, London, 1725

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Anonymous said...

Benjamin Franklin wrote any essay on God and how he is flawed or the belief in him is flawed.
There are some things about god that don’t seem right, like how he lets us kill people even though the bible says thou shall not kill .some would say we have free will and that we make our own decisions, but according to the bible god is the ultimate power he makes all the decisions anything and everything we do he already knows its going to happen because its making it happen.
How can he be all good? If god is to be all good who are we to decide what’s bad and what’s not. Maybe god thinks killing and death is well not good but not a sin it just happens it’s the way of life. But then how do we explain the bible? It says though shall not kill, so if killing was a sin the god isn’t the almighty that we thought he was. How can god be all good if he lets us kill people, God wants us to be perfect he wants us to be sinless?
In the puritan beliefs humans are born with sin, and the beliefs also say that you can never get rid of sin. How are we to be perfect if we are born with sin and we can never get rid of it, doesn’t make sense dose it. The whole puritan religion contradicts its self; it sounds like some guy wrote a book and said that it was gods will.
Now days rape and murder and terrorist acts and everything that involves killing has a positive side and a negative side , the positive side is that it helps population control the negative every one around the person who got murdered, or raped feels grief and sadness .
Jefferson says that all men are created equal and that they are endowed with certain rights at birth and that those rights can not be taken away from you .well sad news but that free will and happiness you think you have the right to isn’t really in your hands god will decide if you will live a happy life or not , he will decide your fate ,actually he already knows your fate and you can not stop it cause according to the bible there is no free will .we were created for one reason and god knows that reason , and if you are to live a crappie life ,I am sorry you don’t have a choice . And that sucks.

Anonymous said...

Ashley McMurtrey
2/ 1/ 2007
American literature
Period 3


Benjamin Franklin was being sarcastic, because when he was talking about God, he was being naive sounded to me that he was trying to be funny and put his words out there and being a smart ass about it.
For example when he was saying that God is all wise, all good, and all powerful, he was telling John Dryden that id God is all good then he must only do good and no bad what so ever. That doesn’t make that much sense to me because no one is perfect even though he made all men created equal. I thought it was pretty funny even when he said that any creature made by God couldn’t even do anything but good, but once again no one is perfect and I don’t know if he was trying to prove a point, but overall he was pretty blunt about his opinion.
In section one Benjamin Franklin states that “ If he is all powerful, there can be nothing either existing or acting in the universe against or with out his consent; and what he consents to must be good, because he is good, therefore evil doth not exist.” When I read that quote it says to me that god has to be perfect in all ways and that all creatures he made have to be perfect in all ways, but in many ways is impossible.
One thing is if god is so perfect and his creatures and creations have to be perfect then how that cant work because nothing in this world is perfect and there is no way that no one can be. Take rape as an example, if god is so perfect then why is there rappers and people getting raped everywhere? Is it because their bad? Do they have evil in them? Maybe they have different beliefs when it comes to the logic of god and Benjamin franklins’ way of explaining his view on him.
We could take cancer in the same way or AIDS for example, how come god gives us these troubles it is because we didn’t follow his consent on being good and all good? In his view could this be a way of punishing us for having different beliefs? Benjamin Franklin stated in that quote that “because he is good; evil doth not exist.” And that’s basically saying that sense there is no bad in god then everything he does is good. Giving cancer or AIDS is for the good then it looks like to me that evil does exist. There is a little bit of evil in everyone. Benjamin franklin’s letter sounded a lot like he based it on his belief and his belief sounds to me and being similar to the puritans’ belief.
The puritan women and men emphasis on reading the bible, and wanted all the women to be more literacy than England. The key to the puritan heart and soul is religious beliefs. Human beings are inherently evil and so they must struggle to overcome their sinful nature. Personal salvation depends solely on the grace of god, not on individual effort. The bible is the supreme authority on earth. Puritans believed in predestination, the doctrine that only those people who are “elected” by god are saved and go to heaven. The only way people could know they were saved was to have a religious conversation with god. Puritans argued that the bible was the sole guide in government moral and spiritual life, and church and society all together. It led the puritans to be more repressive in their political systems. The puritans saw themselves as gods chosen people, like the “children of Israel” in the old testament. Maybe Benjamin Franklin had a strong belief the same as the puritans beliefs. What the puritans believed in sounds a lot like some of the stuff Benjamin Franklin stated in his letter.
In the beginning of the declaration of independence Thomas Jefferson states that of someone wants to be separated from another person, it is very reasonable for them to explain their reasons for the separation. That is totally understandable when it comes to Benjamin franklins letter, because that exactly what he was trying to do, and he even stated his reasons in blunt explanation. When Thomas Jefferson stated “we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.” That also determines that all people created by god are equal and have the same rights that they have to obide by. Thomas Jefferson also talks about government and how it can only be changed by the people for the people only if it benefits them.

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Benjamin Franklin Essay #8 Amy Cowan
American Literature
February 1st
Period 3

I believe that Benjamin Franklin’s argument is sarcastic. He keeps repeating himself, say God is almighty. He’s saying that everything that God created is to be equal with the creator. I think he’s trying to make everything seem that God controls our thoughts, saying everything is equal, there’s no evil, and stuff about actions, pleasure, and seductions. Yes God created the universe, as we are told, and everything on it. But some people may not believe in God, and Franklin is trying to make people believe what they don’t want to. I’m not even sure about God. He may be right and he may be wrong. To me he is just writing the same thing over in different words just to make it seem like he knows more, and to make the paper seem more meaningful. So I think that Franklin is full of sarcasm. He is just say words to be heard and seem smart. People need to believe what they want and learn it on their own, not by some guy telling them what to believe. I also think that he is full of himself, and he doesn’t have the right to be talking about stuff that he believe and expect other people to believe it to. His paper has many positive and negative affects.
Some of the negative affects of the paper is that in 8 pages he keeps repeating him self over and over. The paper would have been better if he elaborated more instead of changing his words around to make it look new. But I think that is ideas and thoughts are true for him. He believes that God created everything and has tried to make everything equal, which I don’t think is possible. But there are positive effects of his paper. He believes that God crated everything. He created human, animals, plants, good, evil, etc. He also created passions, pleasures, seductions, desires, affections, etc. Franklin is saying that God is almighty and with out him we wouldn’t have any thing. God supposedly created everything to be equal to him but we can’t all be equal or equal to him because he is much more powerful than any of us. The created can never be equal to creator. So Franklin is trying to say that we can try to be equal to God because god gave us the “power” to be. He gave us feeling, freedom, life, passions, happiness, sadness, etc. So Franklins knew what he was talking about but he needed to elaborate more. Which his beliefs are similar to the puritans.
Franklin said that we are born good unlike the Puritans. The puritans believed that you were born evil and that you must overcome your sins. The believed in the predestination, that those who where saved by god would go to heaven. But Franklin said that we are born good and that those who sinned go to hell. The puritans believed that the bible was their authority. It was there government in moral and spiritual life but also in church and society. Their churches were organized around the bishop. Franklin says that the authority of everything is god. God is everything according to Franklin. So Franklin’s argument and the puritan’s belief’s are only the same as in they are both very religious, and both believe in god, but the puritans say that heir authority is the bible. Franklin said that the authority is God, which is also similar to Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence.
Compared to Franklin’s argument is Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence they have similar beliefs but also disagreements. In Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence it is talking about the king ruling the colonists. Jefferson is saying that that God should be in control because he created the world which Jefferson is agreeing with Franklin. They both are saying that the United States/colonies are under control by someone when they should be under control by God, their creator. To the, because God created the world so, God should be the one controlling the world, not a president, a king, a bishop, etc. They both want their country to have freedom to do as the like, which with the government controlling them they can not. They both think that the government should not be controlling them, but the person who created them. Not only the feel that way, so do many others as well. So the puritans, Jefferson, and Franklin all have similar ideas that they want god to be in control of them not some government official. They want to be free.
So in Jefferson argument he believes that God is everything, in Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence the colonists want their freedom from the king, and the puritans also believe God is everything. The all want God to be in control of them. They don’t like being under control of a government official. They all want and need their freedom. Their government does not allow them to be free. They all feel that because God created the world and everything in it that he should then be in control of them. So yes I think that Franklin went a little overboard on his argument but I still think that he a point, and if he elaborated more then I probably would have agreed more with what he wrote. In believe that his thoughts and believes where in the write place but he need to “dig” deeper and many more may have believed what he had to say. I have a feeling I would have believed him more.

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Rebecca Panella
2/5/06
American Literature
Period 3

I think that Ben Franklin’s “Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain” is flawed within its own right because our creator is not as all powerful as he seems. If he was then evil would not be as repent as it is .Ben Franklin addresses that in very issue, he address it in a very creative argument. The argument is very creative for a young man from Philadelphia.

In his “Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain”, Franklin is poking fun at the logic of the piously religious people of the time. His argument is based upon throwing their reasoning back at them in such a way that baffles them. He was also a man who believed that their was a creator, just not as strongly as some other men who believed it very strongly .In “Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasuer and Pain”, he takes the logic of other men and puts it in a way so they can’t argue back. Franklin argued with the fact of free will yet still believes that there is a creator controlling every aspect of our lives, the strict Puritan beliefs were still strong and Franklin argued with the common people at this time. Franklin is poking fun at the people who still follow the strict puritan lifestyle although dying out. It applies by saying that people have the rights to do what is necessary and we are given those rights by our creator. Our creator gave us those rights and we should use them when we break from another country or person. Ben Franklin’s elements to the “Declaration of Independendence” was that our creator gave us the free will to either stay and be abused by a king or fight and become our own country . He also respected puritan morals even though he wasn’t a devout church devote. Ben Franklin could find ways to confound and amaze us all and he is still a big part of our lives every day and every where we go today.

I think that Ben Franklin’s “Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain” is flawed within its own right because our creator is not as all –powerful as he seems .For example, if he created everything and everything is great then cold sores are great according to his logic, when in reality they are really annoying and can bug the living daylights out of people. We wouldn’t have cold sores if our creator is all-powerful and all-good. So saying that our creator is all-good and all-powerful and made the world perfect then we would not have all the bad things like cold sores ,makes this document flawed within its own right ,according to his logic. “Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain is flawed in the fact if our creator was all good and all powerful there would be no cold sores.

In Ben Franklin’s “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain” talks about that if our creator was all-good their would be no evil in the world. Whereas puritan mores believed that our creator was all –good and all- powerful .the puritans believed that the evil in the world came from the devil. Franklin says that our creator made the evil in the world to encourage people to make the right choice in life. The puritans said that everything in a person’s life come from our creator as rewards for living a righteous life, Franklin says that they have just worked their way up the social ladder to wealth or inherited their wealth. According to Franklin wealth does not come from our creator. Wealth according to Franklin comes from a person working hard to earn and save their money or by inheritance.

In Ben Franklin’s “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain” and Thomas Jefferson’s “Declaration of Independence” our creator gives creatures and man liberty and inalienable rights. Mankind has the rights that our creator has given them and because of those rights they are equal in his eyes. Mankind can’t have liberty if he is limited by his actions by the power of an all- powerful creator. Mankind should only obey the laws of nature and live among the powers of the earth. Without a creator there is also no free-will or power to separate from the mother country .We has the rights that our creator entitled us with as well as free will and power to do what we feel is right. Such as breaking away and forming a new country and forming a new nation against rule of a king.


Benjamin Franklin made some good points in his argument. But some as I have seen is flawed and can be argued different ways and from different points of view
Flawed as it may be it has many connections to a document that he is well known for, on his input and editing. Some of the connections can be found in the document that we just discussed. I hope that you found the connections and that you were able to learn a little more about Benjamin Franklin.

Anonymous said...

Serena Carr
February 1st, 2007
American Literature
Period 4



Benjamin Franklin


God is almighty and strong. Benjamin Franklin was a smart guy who wanted people to seek his view of what he said in our government.
We are created by a smart and great man.
1. God is great and almighty and good
2. we are made by God
3. we are limited in his actions
We say we don’t have free-will
1. government makes more rules
2. people cant always do things they want to
We have a lot of desire
1. we want so much
2. freedom
3. cant always get what we want
So we may not always know what is going on and that we may want everything and if we do not get it, then we will get really angry.
Benjamin Franklin was a guy who would make people angry at him, and then have them realize what he was really saying. He says that some people believe in God, and others don’t. That God created the Earth, and every thing on it, and around it. But others differ, that the Earth, just happened to be here, with people and animals on it. God is also almighty, and you can’t defy him. We have a desire to know and want to find out more, but people don’t do that cause they are either scared, or don’t want to be embarrassed. But some people care what others think and they go out into the world to learn more about this “God” and sees if he’s real and why he’s so interested in us. We have pain and pleasure that God gave us. We get tortured a lot, but also we are satisfied with what’s happened to us, and how much the pain doesn’t hurt. People will always be in pain and pleasure, because they are equal when in theory they are not equal at all because of what is happening in the world.
Benjamin Franklin is saying that anything can happen. Like people doing drugs. People think they are all right and drugs will make everything better and that is the answers to all your problems. But it doesn’t make it all better. It will just ruin your life, and how you see things.
You will waste your money on buying drugs when you could’ve bought something a lot better. You are also hurting yourself and those around you and how they try to help you but you won’t let them into your life, so you do more and more drugs. If you take more and more eventually you can die or have to be sent into the Emergency Room for taking too much. There are many ways to take drugs, and they are needles (injection) smoking, snorting, eating, and many more ways. But you can always say no to drugs and peer pressure to get into them.
You can live a healthy life and be a good role model to your siblings, family, friends, and other people who look up to you. So basically stay away from the drugs and people who do them and God will not worry that much about you.
Everyone is evil no matter what to puritans. But if you work hard and stay good you will become good and the evil will subside from you slowly with time. They also believe that God will help you get rid of the evil bubbling inside you. If you live in a town full of puritans, and you believe in witch craft, then you’re considered evil without a doubt. Everyone tries to do well, but they don’t always succeed. When Benjamin Franklin wrote this, and tried to have people understand that God helps us, not matter what.
Because he loves us. Puritans also go by what the Bible says, and it speaks the truth, and its Gods very words. If you disobey Gods words you are evil. You have so many rules to follow, and go by all of them so you’re not evil. But we can’t always follow all the rules. It’s more or less. You are basically born evil, and not good, so you have to work very hard to become good in your life for your whole life.
Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson are basically talking about being a free land, and being justified. But there is also evil and good in the world. Jefferson and Franklin both believe that there is a good God and an evil Satan. But you can either be good and comfortable. But if you are evil your miserable, and there is torture in your little pitiful life that is worthless.
Jefferson talks about being free and live your own lives without any worries, and you get to chose what you do, and how you do it. Franklin, talks about that too. But there are also consequences for your actions. So they say there are two ways to look at this, there are evil and good in the world, and wanting to rule your own life, where no one else controls how you are, and if your good or evil. They are both talking about the same subject, but they have different views and are both right.

Anonymous said...

Grace Gibbins
2-1-07
Per 3
Number 8 I think Benjamin Franklin’s argument is meant to be sarcastic. Because most of his of his argument goes against most things you learn in the Bible. Most of it goes against common sense. That at some points they talk about evil and goodness of God. That God is good and he can’t do anything bad or evil even though he chooses how one dies. Even it it’s brutally it still makes him good but if a normal everyday person got to chose be called evil. But what Ben Franklin said was that every person is evil in some way but God has to be good. But in certain people might not even think he is good it depends on who you are asking and there religion. In Ben Franklin’s statement it goes after one person’s point of view. Or one religion. But there are many different ways to take what he talking about .In my idea he is sarcastic.
In Franklins argument he concordats himself a lot. At some parts he says that God is the almighty but another part says that he is evil or has people do evil things. But in argument it says that God is good and does nothing evil. Some parts give examples like if someone stole something that person would be considered evil. But because that person is known as evil he will have consequences created by God but earlier he said that everything God does well but giving out consequences doesn’t seem so good or almighty it sounds greedy to me. Or the fact that people automatically named somebody evil just for little things. But God doesn’t stop it but he’s still called almighty and good when there is bad stuff happening everywhere and he’s giving out consequences to these people. That argument kind of goes into the puritan’s belief.
The puritans believed that everybody that was born was evil and they had to overcome there sinful nature. But in Franklins argument he said everybody was born good but they became evil later in there life’s and couldn’t become good if they were evil. But the puritans said you could overcome the evilness in a person. But they do agree on something’s, that everything depends on God and what he does. Franklin says that God creates everything happens because of God. And the puritans believed that only a few people saved by God goes to heaven. But from different points of views it’s different and different for other religions. And in the Declaration of Independence it says different ideas of God.
In the Declaration of Independence it says God is entitled to powers of the earth and the laws of nature. In Ben Franklin’s argument it says God is entitled to everything. Also in the declaration of Independence it talks about being free of everything. But Benjamin Franklin says you can’t be free you are ruled by God and no body else that he controls what you and if your evil or good. And in the Declaration of Independence they talk about we are free to do what you want to do but are ruled by a different person. But basically they are talking about the same thing but are wording it differently. Also in the Declaration says God doesn’t rule everything but Ben Franklin says God rules everything not just certain things. So between the Declaration and Ben Franklin agree on some things but not everything.
In conclusion the argument of Benjamin Franklin can be taken several different ways from different people and there religions. In my point of view Ben Franklin is being sarcastic about what he is saying in the argument. Because a lot of things don’t add up to other resources that were written in his time aria like the Declaration of Independence and the beliefs of other religions. And if he was being sincere about something you would think he would study the different religions and other written papers that dealt with god and what he was doing. Or at least he would add some stuff in there from different points of view. So he sounds like he is being sarcastic to me.

Anonymous said...

Ranae A. Crowley
English
2/1/07

Satirically
My class read the Dissertation on liberty and necessity, pleasure. Benjamin Franklin was messing with all of are minds in that paper. He was talking about how God is so wise and good he made all living things that mean even people. Franklin also says that God dos not do evil any thing with evil. WRONG God made people and our whole life so he knows what’s going to happen to us when we are going to be happy, sad, sleepy, when we die or, when we lie and do any thing with evil. Every one has there won believes and religion but we all know we do some type of evil in are life’s and God made us like that so we can learn from are mastics that’s life. I Ranae Crowley believe Benjamin Franklin was playing around all a joke.

The Negative
Benjamin Franklin talks about how God is the maker of the universe,
How he’s wise, and powerful. Every thing God does is good and nothing he does is evil. Some parts Franklin say’s God is the Almighty but in another part he said that he’s evil makes people do evil things.
People do evil things and God does know what we did and new it was going to happen he does that in a good way. God loves every thing he made animals, plants, people and more he would never hurt us in a way of evil. Life is not a holy palace every day is like a war and that’s life. If you believe in God than you go to haven when you die. You could believe in something else then God. In some way you know that after death is going to be better then now.

Benjamin Franklin & Thomas Jefferson

Benjamin Franklin was saying what he believed in, about God how he’s so good, wise, and how he makes people do evil. Franklin was greedy in he litter there was no point no use to the people in America.
On the other hand Thomas Jefferson in Declaration of Independence was not the same as Franklin’s. Jefferson want did freedom for him and he’s people he knew how every one was suffering pain and how the king was using them. He talked about how God would want them to fight for their rights and that God would not want them to live this way there whole life’s. Jefferson was not like Franklin saying stuff like God loves us but he’s the one making us live this way he Mack’s us do evil but he loves all of us. Jefferson new God was with all of them and need did to tell ever one.

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Brandon Welch
2/4/07
Period 3
English III

Satirical Letter
Benjamin Franklin wrote this letter to a poet with hopes that the public would read it. He wrote it with the intent to make fun of the beliefs of the majority of the people in his time. He wrote it in such a way that the ones who disagree with the beliefs will understand what he actually meant but the others would think that he was just explaining them. He used this letter to send a message to the puritans. He wanted to explain how ignorant they were.
Even though Benjamin Franklin wrote this letter satirically, he made some good points about life to hide what he really meant. “If He is all-powerful, there can be nothing either existing or acting in the Universe against or without his Consent; and what He consents to must be good, because He is good; therefore Evil doth not exist.” Obviously there is evil in the world so he is pointing out the ignorance in that belief. Then he continues on to contradict himself. “There is nothing done in the Universe, say the Philosophers, but what God either does, or permits to be done.” So now he is saying that an all good higher power is giving his consent to evil things, it just doesn’t work
Then he throws you for a loop by stating; “It will be said, perhaps, that God permits evil Actions to be done, for wise Ends and Purposes. But this Objection destroys itself; for whatever an infinitely good God hath wise Ends in suffering to be, must be good, is thereby made good, and cannot be otherwise.” Basically he just said that god allows those evil things to happen for a higher cause that the inhabitants of this earth could not understand.
After he sums up the part about life he goes on to liberty. “If the Creature is thus limited in his Actions, being able to do only such Things as God would have him to do, and not being able to refuse doing what God would have done; then he can have no such Thing as Liberty, Free-will or Power to do or refrain an Action.” There he is saying that if God has an ultimate plan for us and we cannot vary from that plan, then we can never have liberty. Then he adds a little more to prove his point before he concludes his section on life and liberty: “If there is no such Thing as Free-Will in Creatures, there can be neither Merit nor Demerit in Creatures. And therefore every Creature must be equally esteem'd by the Creator. “ then he sums the whole entire section up by saying “(When the Creator first design'd the Universe, either it was His Will and Intention that all Things should exist and be in the Manner they are at this Time; or it was his Will they should be otherwise i. e. in a different Manner): To say it was His Will Things should be otherwise than they are, is to say Somewhat hath contradicted His Will, and broken His Measures, which is impossible because inconsistent with his Power; therefore we must allow that all Things exist now in a Manner agreeable to His Will, and in consequence of that are all equally Good, and therefore equally esteem'd by Him.” The parts in the parenthesis are where he mostly shows his sarcasm. He says that because god made every thing to fit in to his big picture that the way things are now, are the way that he intended them to be, but follows that up by saying that the way things were then were or were not part of his plan.
Thomas Jefferson wrote the declaration of independence in the same beat around the bush style. In the 1700’s papers where written in such a way that the average people today wouldn’t fully understand. The writers back then desired to sound proper and professional so they wrote what could be said in 500 words in 1500 words and didn’t just come rite out and say it Franklin wanted to say that what most of the people believed in that day was preposterous and unconceivable. For example the people who wanted the king of England to remain in charge of the thirteen colonies.
Benjamin Franklin wrote this letter satirically, but in some parts he was actually stating his own personal opinion. He mainly wrote this paper to make fun of and point out the immaturity of some of the people of his day and age.

Anonymous said...

-Decoding Ben's Logic-

Benjamin Franklin says in the opening paragraph of his argument “I have here, according to your request, given you my present Thoughts of the general state of Things in the Universe.” Which means he is being sincere in his words by mentioning his present thoughts and the mechanics of the Universe and ideas he is soon to bring up, but is also giving you freedom of opinion and not saying just one single belief is the correct belief. He is trying to open new ideas of the supreme god. While being serious the whole time but also not making any enemies toward himself, by stating ideas religions have already established and believe for example. If god is all powerful all wise and all good, all he can do must be good wise and powerful.
Everyone has heard this and some people believe this. So in his next statement he says “If He is all-powerful, there can be nothing either existing or acting in the Universe against or without his Consent; and what He consents to must be good, because He is good; therefore Evil doth not exist.” Benjamin Franklin makes that statement knowing religious people and anyone with any knowledge at all has heard that and he tried to open a new window for some that have never pieced that together, that if god made people and they do bad things that god is either not all powerful because he can’t stop them from doing bad or that he is not all good because he knows what everyone and every thing in the universe is going to do before they do it so he allowed them to do evil which means he is not all good.
The Puritans believed that god has already decided your future for you (pre-destination) and there is nothing you can do to change anything because it has already been decided by God. Ever since Adam failed in the Garden, everyone has been born with sin and there is nothing you can do to get rid of that sin. But if you are one of the chosen ones, God will come and save you from the world, that has already been pre-decided you can do nothing at all to become one of those people that will be saved you can only live your life and keep your faith strong while pray for nothing if you aren’t one of the chosen. That is just what Ben is saying, if God is all powerful, knowing and good, he should save everyone and want everyone to succeed unless he isn’t all good which would make him not a God with the definition that some people use as a God.
In the Declaration of Independence Jefferson talks about breaking prior bonds when the time comes to do so, just like when the time comes to question faith. Questioning faith isn’t supposed to happen, faith is faith and should always be believed is what is considered right. Jefferson is saying that it’s fine to abandoned old logic and bring in new. Exactly the same with Benjamin Franklin and the question of some people and God. It should be questioned and reconsidered since it’s hard to believe in God after he is said to be all powerful and supreme and do no evil, but makes people that are full of evil and bad with not good or wise choices. How can you keep faith in something you can’t see and something that isn’t even proven to exist is what Benjamin Franklin is trying to say to in less obvious more concealed words trying not to bring negative attention to himself but also putting his sincere and serious thoughts in to his work.

Anonymous said...

Bonnie Statzer
February 1, 2007
American literature
Period 3


Its all Good


Benjamin Franklin is intending for you to read this at first, and believe that he is behind his theory 100%. However if you read in between the lines to see the “cliff notes” that he himself has written you see that he has made some very confusing interpretations of what he has already written, and he tends to contradict every point. I see him not trying to prove this point, but trying to prove all the loop holes, and rough edges left unconcerned to argue it.
He begins with our almighty AKA God, and God is our maker of the universe, all wise, all good, and all powerful, or so he is said to be. This sets you up for everything. If he is said to be this and that he also can be said to not be all this and all that. Then we get into Gods creatures. If God made these creatures and he is “wonderful” all his creatures are said to be also. So humans should be classified as Gods creatures, therefore we are far from evil, right? So it is just for man to kill if the victim was a bad person and had it coming? The killer is right for punishing this other creature or human. If a creature is made by God it can not do anything contrary to the will of God.
If the will of God is all goodness and right then all of his creatures do what is right also. But what about people who are mentally ill? What if a person who has a mental illness, goes up and kill someone, because they got made fun of and they were upset? They do not understand the consequences of their actions for murder. God should view murder as negative. God does not do negatives, or support them, then if a killing occurs it’s going against his power, right? So then there is another power driving that person into murder another. Therefore is God not all powerful?
If a person is mentally ill they can’t really control what they do and by going against goodness God obviously isn’t in control of what they do either which contradicts what was said before. Also if person isn’t mentally ill and kills a person out of hatred they are under Gods rule and is all Gods creatures do good then this all doesn’t make sense. It all depends on the situation and the decision on if it right or good or not. But if God truly honestly had control over his creatures then all of us humans, animals, ect. would follow goodness, but God doesn’t have control over our actions. If God was our almighty and all powerful then it would make sense that all of us were good people who never do bad or wrongful things. Because there are messed up things it doesn’t follow this idea. Some people chose to follow gods teachings, however God doesn’t choose for us to follow him. That is why people mentally ill or fully functional still kill, steal, lie, cheat, and so much more.
If God was our almighty and all powerful then it would make sense that all of us were good people who never do bad or wrongful things. Because there are people out there who do really messed up things it doesn’t follow this idea.
The puritans were very by the book type of people. (The book being the bible) They were all expected to attend church, know their commandments, and be good Christians. They all just had faith in what was taught in church even if it didn’t make sense.
During this time the puritans mores were there, but waning, meaning falling out. Their faith may have been dieing. Benjamin Franklin may have contributed greatly. His letter is very confusing what you may think at first makes sense really doesn’t. The puritans may have realized that what Franklin said is a cloudy theory. What may have lead the puritans to fall out in belief is they realized that its really unfair, like how Franklin said if their then this, but the second idea always contradicts the first. Like in the Salem witch trials, if you don’t confess yourself you will hang. Well the way they were raised they should not lie. So by trying to follow their religion they won’t lie or have to die. Soon enough people are going to realize there people who are being hung are good innocent people. So once they see what’s happening, they all will want to get out of what ever is the underline factor to all of this, and many were traced back to religion.
In comparison of Thomas Jefferson’s writing of the Declaration of Independence and Ben Franklins essay, they both have many things in common that connect to the topic of the puritans in essay VI. When Thomas Jefferson says in the opening part of the Declaration about equal power and the natures of God and how over time mankind seems to separate. And what that says to me is Thomas Jefferson referring back to Ben Franklins essay, when he talks about God and his powers. Then if you read in between the lines, Ben Franklin talks about contradicting Gods power and it begins to separate. On the topic of how the declaration and Jefferson’s essay compare and what they really have to do with the puritans, is how in the declaration the king has all this power and the colonist try to change the opinion of the Britain’s, it all has to do with the fact of waning and having a greater power, the puritans lose power when they have to go against what they believe just so they can survive during the Salem witch trials.
Throughout the whole essay, we begin with debating on weather or not Ben was being truthful of what he thought about this whole thing or if he was just kidding. Then we go to seeing how it compares to Jefferson in the Declaration, and from there talking about the puritans and how this all connects. It seems like it doesn’t make sense but if you dig deep, it does. What this is all saying is that having the power and the choice to make the right decisions in life is what God is giving us to survive. In the end I think that God has giving us this big test to see what road we take in life.

Anonymous said...

Gorvin Gutierrez
American Literature
02/01/2007
Period 3
Persuasive Essay

Benjamin Franklin wrote a “Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain,” in a satirical way rather than an earnest way. Franklin wrote this argument based on what others thought, leaving it up to the reader to decide whether he was being satirical or earnest about it. He qualifies his argument by creating distance between himself and his subject at the beginning of each assertion. Using “if” and “then” statements, and beginning a comment with “it is said…,” such as, “It is said, perhaps, that God permits evil Actions to be done, for wise Ends and Purposes,” leaves it open for the reader to judge rather than Franklin giving his own opinions or beliefs to influence the reader.
Franklin suggests that a majority of people believe that God is all-good. He goes on to expound on that thought and claims, “If a Creature is made by God, it must depend upon God, and receive all its power from Him, with which Power the Creature can do nothing contrary to the will of God, because God is Almighty, what is not contrary to His will, must be agreeable to it, what is agreeable to it, must be Good, therefore a Creature can do nothing but what is good.” Franklin’s states “He is said to be all-wise, all-good, all-powerful.” The Puritans believe some of the logic that Franklin writes in his letter. While Franklin states that some people would say that there is no evil, the Puritans believe that they are inherently evil and so must struggle to overcome their sinful nature. However, most would conclude that this isn’t true because people sin many times every day. If God made everything to be good, then the bad things wouldn’t happen. Since people sin, though, they are not all good. Franklin stated in his argument that God isn’t all good. He is said to know everything that is going to happen, although if He knew then people would have the choice of sin. If He doesn’t know all people’s choices, then He isn’t Almighty. So how can Franklin be taken seriously if this idea is true? The Puritans would disagree with this idea. They believe strongly that He is Almighty and all good.
The Puritans would believe in Franklin’s third statement, “If He is all-good, whatsoever He doth must be good.” They would agree with this because they believe that humans don’t do “good”, but God does “good.” Franklin states that some people would say that all things that God created is good, although Puritans believe humans have to earn their goodness by following the Bible. In many ways, Franklin’s statements about God relate to the Puritans’ strong beliefs. They also relate somewhat to the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson.
In Benjamin Franklin’s essay, he writes about God being Almighty and that God created all creatures. And “If a creature is made by God, it must depend upon God, and receive all its power from Him”. In Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence the king of Great Britain could be thought of as “God” and the people of the United States of America represent the “creatures.” The king of Britain made laws for the people to follow and if they were broken, consequences were made. This is comparable to the belief that God is in control and there will be consequences for the sins that people commit. In addition, the king sent British soldiers to enforce and obey his laws. In this way, Benjamin’s essay applies to the opening lines of Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence. If the “creatures” in the Declaration of Independence don’t follow the laws, they will be punished. This, in Benjamin Franklin’s essay, would mean that they would be evil and wouldn’t have complete freedom or liberty.
After reading Benjamin Franklin’s “Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain”, it is evident that he did not want his own opinion portrayed to the readers. He wrote it in a satirical way. We can see this because he used “if” and “then” statements throughout his essay, making it obvious that he wasn’t being serious or presenting absolute facts. When comparing this writing with the Declaration of Independence and the Puritans’ beliefs, there are various similarities between them. They both have a “ruler” that they must obey. If they don’t, there will be severe consequences...

Anonymous said...

Benjamin Franklin

In Benjamin Franklin’s dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain, he shows his controversial writing style making it difficult to differentiate weather he meant it to be ernest, or if he was just poking fun and being sarcastic about the matter. Franklin’s sarcastic and satirical ideas in his dissertation also share similarities with things such as the puritan belief system. There are also connections between Franklin’s writings and the Declaration of Independence, by Thomas Jefferson. Many people have been debating weather he was being honest and sincere, or if he was being sarcacastic.
Benjamin Franklin has his way of making things difficult to understand by putting in big words and using others I have never heard of. To be honest and straight forward, I believe that he is being sarcastic in the highest ways possible, and for good reasons of course. He is one to mess around with his readers so they think deeper and look more within themselves. Franklin states that “God” is all-good, all-wise, and all-powerful. He also defies himself to be false and state that for “god” to be all-good and such there is no evil. Of course we all know how evil is always among us beings just sometimes in different ways. So he is leaving open ideas and statements that can be opinionated upon for readers to open their minds and explore beyond the words that describe the divine. He talks of pleasure that is found between humanity, and then with every pleasure comes pain, agony, and/or suffering. This is true, but he leaves it up, once more, to the reader to define its real meaning. In some points Franklin even questions the power of the “almighty”, “Since, either that infinite goodness will act what is ill, of infinite wisdom what is not wise, is too glaring a contradiction not to be perceived by any man of common sense and denied as soon as understood,” he states.
Is he with or against god, well not against but poking at In this Dissertation by Franklin he has complicated it by making it seem so much more enlarged and sophisticated than it is simply written. It was boundless, ceaseless, constant, and continuous. Franklin had dragged out his clause, in satiric clauses and statements.

In Franklin’s dissertation he says that since god is all good and all powerful, everything is either good, and what is not good has been permitted by him. Benjamin Franklin also says that since he is all good everything bad that he has permitted was permitted because of the good end result.
This theory has been proven to be false many times throughout history. These events have been traced back to biblical times.
For instance the story of Noah’s ark and the flood. The world was so wicked and evil god was forced to send floods of gigantic proportions, killing every one on the face of the earth accept for those who were warned ahead of time, and built an ark.
In this example god had permitted the bad things to happen, and when no good came of it he was forced to get rid of it and demolish it.
With this evidence Franklin’s theory is clearly not true, so in his dissertation Franklin was obviously being sarcastic and satirical.
According to Franklin God is all-powerful and all-good and nothing, in the world, can go against that without his consent. Moreover all things, that are not good, consented by him are still good, because he is good therefore there is no evil in the world.
However according to puritan belief it is said that all humans were born evil and their whole life is spent trying to redeem them selves.
This being the case the content of Franklin’s dissertation and the beliefs of the puritans are very different, yet in some ways similar.
In reading Franklin’s dissertation, knowing the puritan beliefs I believe it is clearly shown that by the time Franklin wrote his dissertation puritan beliefs were still around, but not nearly as strong as they were in the late 1600s.
Both groups do agree that god is all powerful, however they disagree about what god’s power is used for. The Declaration of Independence is also an example of the discussion of god’s infinite power.

In the opening lines of The Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson, he talks about how if a certain group of people are wrongly accused or persecuted by another larger group than it is their God-given right to separate from that group.
In Benjamin Franklin’s writings he speaks in almost the exact same manner. He says if a person, or group, is limited in his actions, by god, than there is no way any thing that god would not have done, would not be permitted by him. Therefore if it is not meant for a group to separate than god wouldn’t have permitted it.
Franklin’s dissertation and the opening lines of The Declaration of Independence both talk abut the freedom given to them by their all-powerful creator. They both speak of Gods power over all things and that he is all wise. They both also point out that if something is not a thing god would have done than it wouldn’t be permitted by him.
So in a sense Franklin’s dissertation is support to the argument previously made by Thomas Jefferson.

Anonymous said...

Joe White
February 1, 2007
Period 3
American lit.

Benjamin Franklin’s satirical writings

Benjamin Franklin’s sayings seem to be very sarcastic in his writings. When Benjamin Franklin was nine teen years old he wrote what it today known as “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain”. Ben states that god is the creator of the universe which is correct and that the creator of earth is all wise, all good, and all powerful. Mr. Franklin as well states that the powerful god can not say or do anything bad, and so therefore there isn’t any mistakes or sins god can perform. That’s all seriously said. Here is a sarcastic example to his sayings, “nothing is done without a reason from god. That’s false and sarcastic, because the non religious people can still do anything they choose without a say from god, because they don’t choose to believe in what we all consider our highest power. Another sarcastic statement goes like this, all creatures are made by highest power, and so they must do good and follow his rules. That is sarcastic for sure, and this is why, because there’s no way an animal can be ran in the head by a person, when God allows them to be shot, ran over, and eaten by other more powerful animals. So does that mean there are higher and different levels of superiority in the animal life? Now the higher levels of animals have seniority over each other? There is seriously something wrong with that. Benjamin Franklin states last that alls desire will be fulfilled and satisfied as well. Incorrect there because bums and homeless don’t have all there desires fulfilled..

Benjamin Franklin was a sarcastic man in his teen years. He wrote what’s today called “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain”. The man said things to make some people think he was being honest about human beliefs, nature and ways of life, but really he was sarcastic in majority of his sayings. He was being satirical. Franklin states that all people and animals must be all good. So the evilness today on the universe proves that incorrect. If god our lord runs us people, and decides what we do, and how we do it, then why are there people today who don’t believe in God? Or how about the people that know they are sinning, but continue to do it. Supposedly Franklins being honest yet he speaks “Nothing is done on earth without a reason from God.” From what the humans in and around our society have a belief of what we feel is evil, that means that every time someone kills a person that god knew about it. So what Franklins really saying as he’s being sarcastic, is that God doesn’t control every move we make. God’s not the one pulling the trigger on some one being shot, or is he since he controls what we do supposedly?

Benjamin Franklin’s satirical writings about “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain” relate to some ways from the Puritan days. The Puritans had beliefs and Ben Franklin had his beliefs as well. Both the Puritans and Benjamin are said to be both believers in god. Franklin states his rules and reading the Crucible, they had rules that were stated and followed as well. Sarcasm is used in a lot of different ways, the meaning is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. The actual belief by most is that sarcasm came up to be in the Greek world from the word sarkasmos. So therefore if sarcasm became up and running in the Greek days, then it was going on for sure in the Puritan days. Being sarcastic like Benjamin Franklin is or would be said by most to be used forever that we can remember. The Puritans believed into the witchcraft which was read in the Crucible. Ben Franklin’s writings relate to a higher power but not witchcraft. He was a man for Christianity. Franklin and the Puritans were sarcastic for there time and remembered as well to be firm believers in there higher powers.

Benjamin Franklin’s writings of “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain” relate closely in some aspects to Thomas Jefferson’s “Declaration of Independence.” Franklin’s writings are strictly Gods sayings and beliefs that are exposed to be rules by God or what he intended to say. Franklin took the knowledge he had about god, and a typical Christian’s beliefs about God and wrote them down for us all. The Declaration of Independence, lines 1-8 are saying the colonists felt they had to explain their reasons of wanting to export themselves to a better place where they could worship freely and not be messed with or bugged. Benjamin stated in his words from God that all people should be good and that they should be created equal. So therefore if all is equal, no man shall pick on another for worshipping in any way, shape, or form. If all men are created equal how come there are people with mental challenges that don’t get to experience the fun of life that others do experience? The Declaration of Independence states that all men should be created equal along with the writings of Ben saying that. Both of these articles are based upon the same point, which I stated that all men should be equal, and live equally in life.

Anonymous said...

Joe White
February 1, 2007
Period 3
American lit.

Benjamin Franklin’s satirical writings

Benjamin Franklin’s sayings seem to be very sarcastic in his writings. When Benjamin Franklin was nine teen years old he wrote what it today known as “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain”. Ben states that god is the creator of the universe which is correct and that the creator of earth is all wise, all good, and all powerful. Mr. Franklin as well states that the powerful god can not say or do anything bad, and so therefore there isn’t any mistakes or sins god can perform. That’s all seriously said. Here is a sarcastic example to his sayings, “nothing is done without a reason from god. That’s false and sarcastic, because the non religious people can still do anything they choose without a say from god, because they don’t choose to believe in what we all consider our highest power. Another sarcastic statement goes like this, all creatures are made by highest power, and so they must do good and follow his rules. That is sarcastic for sure, and this is why, because there’s no way an animal can be ran in the head by a person, when God allows them to be shot, ran over, and eaten by other more powerful animals. So does that mean there are higher and different levels of superiority in the animal life? Now the higher levels of animals have seniority over each other? There is seriously something wrong with that. Benjamin Franklin states last that alls desire will be fulfilled and satisfied as well. Incorrect there because bums and homeless don’t have all there desires fulfilled..

Benjamin Franklin was a sarcastic man in his teen years. He wrote what’s today called “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain”. The man said things to make some people think he was being honest about human beliefs, nature and ways of life, but really he was sarcastic in majority of his sayings. He was being satirical. Franklin states that all people and animals must be all good. So the evilness today on the universe proves that incorrect. If god our lord runs us people, and decides what we do, and how we do it, then why are there people today who don’t believe in God? Or how about the people that know they are sinning, but continue to do it. Supposedly Franklins being honest yet he speaks “Nothing is done on earth without a reason from God.” From what the humans in and around our society have a belief of what we feel is evil, that means that every time someone kills a person that god knew about it. So what Franklins really saying as he’s being sarcastic, is that God doesn’t control every move we make. God’s not the one pulling the trigger on some one being shot, or is he since he controls what we do supposedly?

Benjamin Franklin’s satirical writings about “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain” relate to some ways from the Puritan days. The Puritans had beliefs and Ben Franklin had his beliefs as well. Both the Puritans and Benjamin are said to be both believers in god. Franklin states his rules and reading the Crucible, they had rules that were stated and followed as well. Sarcasm is used in a lot of different ways, the meaning is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. The actual belief by most is that sarcasm came up to be in the Greek world from the word sarkasmos. So therefore if sarcasm became up and running in the Greek days, then it was going on for sure in the Puritan days. Being sarcastic like Benjamin Franklin is or would be said by most to be used forever that we can remember. The Puritans believed into the witchcraft which was read in the Crucible. Ben Franklin’s writings relate to a higher power but not witchcraft. He was a man for Christianity. Franklin and the Puritans were sarcastic for there time and remembered as well to be firm believers in there higher powers.

Benjamin Franklin’s writings of “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain” relate closely in some aspects to Thomas Jefferson’s “Declaration of Independence.” Franklin’s writings are strictly Gods sayings and beliefs that are exposed to be rules by God or what he intended to say. Franklin took the knowledge he had about god, and a typical Christian’s beliefs about God and wrote them down for us all. The Declaration of Independence, lines 1-8 are saying the colonists felt they had to explain their reasons of wanting to export themselves to a better place where they could worship freely and not be messed with or bugged. Benjamin stated in his words from God that all people should be good and that they should be created equal. So therefore if all is equal, no man shall pick on another for worshipping in any way, shape, or form. If all men are created equal how come there are people with mental challenges that don’t get to experience the fun of life that others do experience? The Declaration of Independence states that all men should be created equal along with the writings of Ben saying that. Both of these articles are based upon the same point, which I stated that all men should be equal, and live equally in life.

Anonymous said...

Benjamin Franklin Wrote his extensive paper on a wide variety of topics. He talks about things such as God, human nature, pain, suffering, and many analogies to compare these. His underlying tones take a big part in how this paper must be interpreted. What must be looked at though is how his paper influenced the people who read it, people such as Thomas Jefferson. Meanderings about beliefs in God are also rampant throughout this paper. The arguments with the common beliefs of the times are roundabout and subversive yet still rooted in concrete facts. All of these things add up to a paper of highly influential proportions.
Benjamin Franklin seems to be trying to give his paper a satirical nature when he begins it. As he progresses his nature grows more serious. All his talks about religion seem to be almost too serious and uses extremes to describe the highest power. Then he uses inferences to link the assumptions about God to conclude that there can be no evil. Then Franklin moves on to look at humans as an exception and his paper takes a more serious tone. He is not necessarily being more serious, in fact he becomes even more sarcastic then before. As his seriousness increases, so does the sarcasm. When he comes to the end, he links the existence of pain, which is regarded as evil, as being the base and catalytic factor of life. This also leads to speaking of the relativity of pain to pleasure and how people who hurt more can feel more pleasure. Therefore he has twisted the logic to say, evil doesn’t exit, and pain is the sole reason we live.
In his argument of logic, Benjamin Franklin states the common belief of God and the common assumptions about him. He states that God is all good, all powerful and all wise. In his being all wise he decided with all his power to make us. In his wisdom he also gave us free will. In addition he also made us good because anything anyone all good and all powerful creates must be all good.
The problem with free will is the nature of itself. If God controls everything and it is all good, we have to only do good things. If we have free will then we have a choice to choose between doing anything, including evil. If evil can exist in the world, then God is no longer all powerful or no longer all good. If what God does creates his own undermining of his absoluteness then all that has been proclaimed about him must be considered false.
Benjamin Franklin carefully crafted his paper to not seem abrasive to people. He wanted to not anger the puritan people. Through this want he develops the beliefs of the puritans and then breaks them down in fell swoops of contradicting logic. His main point is to be subversive in his argument and not attack them directly. His arguments fit in with the times as people become to believe in powers that they control, not ones of a higher power. He agrees with the points of God and his absoluteness but his sarcasm makes the reader question the entire belief system.
Franklin also points out that evil is more of a human choice, not an influence of the devil. Through that he implies that humans must choose and be proactive about doing good and improving their lives. We must not trust an ultimate power that leaves us to our own free will. With this free will, we must be self sufficient and create good lives for ourselves.
Franklin’s paper connects to the opening lines of the Declaration of Independence, becoming its building block and launching point. In it are many points of interest upon which Thomas Jefferson builds. The connection between the laws of nature blatantly stated in the Declaration is well developed in Franklin’s paper. He also ties in the point of human nature needing a push to move. Franklin declares that this impelling quality is fulfilled by pain. He also directly alludes to the nature of God, which is iterated earlier as being all powerful, all wise, and all good until applied to humans and their free will.
Based off this notion he declares that when humans are oppressed or caused pain, they will work to get free of it. This main impelling point of human existence is to work for yourself because God gave us the choice to squander it if we so wish. The King of England has caused us so much pain that we now must break away, God will not do it for us.
These ideas can not be taken lightly. They all have heavy implications for the readers and the people who interact with them. The revolutionary ideals displayed in this paper, no matter how roundabout, were huge in the times they were written, even if they were not immediately recognized as such. With ideals such as this, things like the revolutionary war came to fruition. These ideas must be recognized and thought through so we can use them to better our lives and those of others.

Anonymous said...

TJ Langan
American literature
1/25/07
Benjamin Franklins letter

Benjamin Franklin’s letter questions the very authority of god and his power. In his letter he has many well wrote key points stating his opinion of not believing that god is everything that he is built up to be, if there is one at all. He has his built up his evidence and dispersed well through the entire letter. It is a confusing writing style but he does well at writing his opinion while he stays at a distance to where both sides of the argument can’t be mad towards him.

Benjamin Franklin is a very confusing writer. He has got many key points in his letter that prove that he is just showing that he was serious in the writing of his letter. He steps back and looks at the evidence and proves his case. I have came to the conclusion that he is mocking god though out the letter. He says that, “He is said to be all-wise,… all good,…. and all powerful….” Meaning that god is only said to be powerful and that he is not all wise. Then he says that “ …If he is all good, whatsoever He doth must be good” then,.. “If He is all-wise, whatsoever he doth must be wise,…” and he follows that up by saying “that infinite Goodness will act ill and infinite Wisdom what is not wise. He states everything that god is supposed to be and slams it with true real life things with such things as harassment. God allows bad things to happen and if he is all powerful and all good.

Teasing is a very hurtful and discriminate form of torture. When people are teased it does a number of emotional damage to them. It destroys there ability to be able to make social discussions and do activities like meet new friends and try to find a partner. When kids are teased at a young age it carries with them through out their entire life. It soaks into there soul and they think that, that is what and who they are. Teasing over a long time can result in an even worst scenario then just having a part of them that says they’re a loser, it can result in people going crazy and being put in to an institution for the rest of there life. If it does go that far it also will usually result in the person who did the teasing to have deep regrets about what they have done. It ruins people’s lives, bottom line. People like the puritans although, think that bad things happen to make them stronger.


Ben Franklin and the puritans did not agree about much. The puritans believed that everything that was bad that happened was a good thing for some cause. Benjamin says that everything that happens that was bad was indeed just a bad act. He states in his letter that some say god is all wise, all powerful and holds the title of being all good, but he then slanders that and says if he is all wise and all powerful why is there bad things. Which counter acts what the puritans think. The puritans believed that human beings as nature made us all are evil and have to overcome this. Franklin didn’t think as they did he believed that god wasn’t all powerful and good. He thought that the people sinned because they wanted to sin. The puritans also think that their salvation depended on god, not them selves. Were Benjamin thought that personal salvation was the only way to go.

The declaration of Independence says that the people have a few unalienable rights that our creator, being god, has given us that no one can take away. Franklin on the other hand, in context of my interpretation, says that the people aren’t given rights from god, because if god has all power, if his is all wise, and if he really is all good and there for everything he does is good, peoples rights shouldn’t be taken away ever although they are, therefore god didn’t give us the right. Franklin says that god, if he has all power, should abolish all bad things. If god gave us those rights how is it that there’s been so many years of enslavement and men’s rights taken away for no good. There was hundreds of years were blacks where enslaved; white males treated them like animals, and though of them as property and to be a stupid as a fish. And how people even to this day, kill others and take their life from them, hurting them, just because they wanted to. The Declaration also states that every man is created equal. But today many whites still look down upon blacks as being bad and stupid, just bad people up to no good. The black communities are talk up to the people all being criminals and have a lot of crime. Millions of humans beings rights are taken away from them on a daily bases, to prove that god doesn’t have all the power and goodness he is supposed to have.

Once you reach the end of the letter it leaves you blank minded and confused on his intent and meaning. I have came to the conclusion that he wrote this letter to show his ability of literature, his state of mind, and skill to argue something with such good reasoning and evidence and back up. His letter put people’s beliefs to the test, and questions religious beliefs. It also contradicts meaning of the Declaration of Independence. It leans against the threshold that god is all powerful, all wise, and all good, and backs it up with real powerful evidence from every day life.

Anonymous said...

Back in the day a man named Benjamin Franklin wrote a paper about the Christianity beliefs, in this paper he is talking about what sounds to me like flaws in the religion. Certain questions raise about was he being serious or just stating some facts about there beliefs. We can’t really be for sure but as far as I can tell he was not being serious about it, but rather he was making jokes about all of the things wrong with the Christian beliefs.

In my opinion Benjamin Franklin is mocking Christianity, even though Benjamin Franklin was probably a Christian himself, throughout this whole letter all Benjamin Franklin talks about are the flaws in the Christian beliefs, for example how he talks bout how if god is all good and god created everything than everything must be good. And if that’s true than all of the things that we do bad, wrong, or evil are really in some way good. And even though he makes some very good points it seems to me that he is not trying to make a specific point rather he is mocking the Christianity beliefs and religion.

Kidnapping, is there anything good about that? I don’t happen to think so. All kidnapping is, is when someone takes another person child either to do wrong things with like child molestation or to get a ransom from the parents or guardians. And while the person who did the kidnapping may be having something good happen to him or her the way they did it was wrong and if god really did create everything and he is all good than things like kidnapping that we see is wrong, must really be a good thing. But as far as I can tell there is nothing good coming from kidnapping or the things that happen to the children while they are being kidnapped.


The puritans and Benjamin Franklin idea about all things in the world coming from god were the same but what was not the same was the way they felt about everything that happened. The puritans believed that everything that happened was good in some way, even if we see it as bad or wrong they see it as good because it comes from god. But Benjamin Franklin happened to disagree with the puritans because there are things in the world that no matter how you look at there is no upside about it, certain things like rape, kidnapping, or even teasing are all seen as bad things that have no upside so how do the puritans see that as a good thing it must just be because of there beliefs.

According to the declaration of independence people have got a few unalienable rights that our creator, being god, has gave us that no one can take away. Benjamin Franklin on the other hand says that people don’t have rights from god because if he had all power he could abolish all wrong doing, but yet all the wrong doing still occurs. If god gave us rights than how is it that men still kill men and take there lives. The declaration Independence also states that every one is created equal and that every one has the right of pursuit of happiness. To this day blacks are still looked down upon in certain parts of our nation. Although slavery has been completely abolished blacks are still slaves to racism.

So in conclusion Benjamin Franklin was not being serious about all of the things that he had said about the Christianity beliefs. Infact they were all just a bunch of comments mocking the beliefs. Some of the things that he said were about how if god created everything than everything must be good, but things like rape, kidnapping, and teasing just aren’t good in any way. Also Benjamin Franklin did not agree with the puritans in fact he strongly disagreed with them.

Anonymous said...

In this letter, Benjamin Franklin is messing with the readers head. In his first statement he flatters the reader by saying that only intelligent people, such as the reader, will be able to understand what he is saying. He states that if the reader does not like or understand what he is saying then he will think less of himself. He is trying to pretend to think less of himself in order to prove what he states is true. He disproves his own statements and some of the statements sound far fetched.
Then he starts to talk about the fact that if God is all-powerful and he is good then there could not possibly be any evil in the world. You would think that he is joking if he says that there is no evil if God is indeed almighty. There is evil and bad things do happen every where in the world. That there is no thing such thing as liberty, free-will or power if God was therefore good and almighty. In his statements he says there is no free will or evil in the universe and that in aspect pleasure and pain are equal. The amount of pleasure someone has is always equal to the amount of pain in the end. At the end of this letter he uses the excuse that people will not like what he has written, because they will not like being thought as being equal to animals.
In Benjamin Franklin’s letter he states that if God was good, then every thing is good and then there is no evil at all. The world has all kinds of evil in it. If a person kills someone then they are evil, and they go to jail. So, just because God is good does not mean that there is no evil. Pleasure is equal to pain. Pleasure cannot be equal to pain, because pleasure is good and not hurtful. Pain is bad and is hurtful to us. In aspect pleasure and pain cannot equal to one another. When he says there is no evil or that pain is equal to pleasure then he is again just messing with the reader. There is evil and pain is not equal to pleasure.
The puritan’s believed that there was a God, and that God is strict. They also thought that if God is good that there also had to be evil in the world, because of all the horrible stuff that was happening with the witches. Even though God is good there is still evil in the world. While Franklin said that if god is so good and almighty then there is no way there can be evil in the world. He is being sarcastic. He believes that even if god is so good and almighty that there is and has to be evil. They are talking and believing the same things, but in different aspects and from two different points of views. They both think that god is good and that there is still evil. That god does and does not make the decision between who is good and evil. That he does not decide that pleasure and pain are both equal to one another.
The Declaration of Independence states that everyone is created equal. If all men are created equal, then god could not pick who goes to heaven or hell. The puritans believe that there are good and evil and that god chooses who goes to heaven or hell. What Franklin says also is that if everyone is supposedly created equal then god is good. God creates who and decides who goes to hell or some where else. So if everyone is created equal then God cannot just choose who goes to heaven or hell. In the case that everyone really is created equal and the same then god cannot choose one person or thing over another, because we are all the same. Then god cannot be almighty because he cannot choose who goes where and when. In the end when you are done reading what Benjamin Franklin has written, you finally start to understand that he really is just being satirically in stead of earnestly. In the end you tend to understand that he is just contradicting himself during the whole letter with the questions he is being asked. When he says the things he says you think he is being earnest, but he is actually being satirically. You can tell not only by the way he says things but also by the fact that the tone in the letter is also really satirical.

Anonymous said...

Benjamin Franklin’s first assertion begins with “There is said to be a first mover…” suggesting that some people say there is a God, not all people.
He goes on listing what is said about this God by some people. Than in statements 3, 4, and 5 he starts them out with “If he” (referring to God) showing that it is not a fact. Throughout his paper his outlines show that he is not siding with any religion that states these things, because he is saying things that aren’t proven factual.
I think Franklin means what he writes and that is what “some people” believe and say. I don’t think he is mocking any religion. Since Franklin used words like “He is said to be…” and “If he…” it leaves room for discussion and opinion. It gets his readers thinking about religious possibilities, and possibly how certain beliefs may make sense in one way, but break off at a certain point when the believed statement is perceived in different ways by different people.
Take line 7 as an example it states that “If the creature is thus limited in his action, being able to do only such things as God would have him to do, and not being able to refuse doing what God would have done; then he can have no suck things as liberty, free-will or power to do or refrain an action.” As a reader I take this as that some people say God has all power and knows all that creatures (people) are going to do. People think they have free-will to choose their actions, but if God lets people choose their actions then he would not be all powerful because they would have free-will to choose and he wouldn’t know the outcome. So it is believed by some that people don’t choose their actions because it is supposedly already known by this God.
I believe Franklin used such contradictory statements as these just to get the reader interested and thoughtfully involved with his paper, although I think he is making fun of some of the beliefs that people have because they don’t seem to always make perfect sense. Like if God is almighty and all-good, then he only creates good things, but there are a lot of things that are not good. In the ten commandments of the Bible it says “Thou shalt not kill”, so people believe murder is bad. Although if someone murders a family member or friend who is close to you than people want revenge. Revenge can’t be good because in the bible it says that people shouldn’t hate their neighbor, so if God was all-good and almighty than there wouldn’t be reasons to hate each other because everyone would be good and get along. If God created everything, and everything he created is good, than he must have created hate, although there is nothing good about hating something or someone. Hating someone could lead to murdering them. Murder can’t be good because even if it is for revenge or protection or defending yourself, it is still considered a sin because in the bible it says not to kill.
You could compare what Franklin says in his letter to the beliefs of Puritans and find some things in common or different. Like Franklin states that some people say God is all-good and everything he made is all-good, although Puritans believe that people are all sinners and have to struggle to earn the grace of God. They take things in the bible very literal, they are strict. Franklin says in statement 3 “If he is all-good, what so ever he doth must be good.” The Puritans would agree that God only does good things.
You could compare Franklin’s statements with Thomas Jefferson’s, The Declaration of Independence. In The Declaration it says “We holed these truths to be self-evident:-That all men are created equal: that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights: that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
In Franklins letter it says in his 7th statement “If the creature is thus limited in his actions, being able to do only such things as God would have him to do, and not being able to refuse doing what God would have done: then he can have no such thing as Liberty, Free-will or Power to do or refrain an Action.” The Declaration is stating that it is a right that God has given us as humans to have the choice of freedom and liberty, although as Franklin states it doesn’t make sense that God is almighty if we have choice, as in if he doesn’t know the outcome of our decisions. In our eyes freedom among other humans may seem to be a right, but if God is almighty and knows all that there is never freedom from him, so it not a right for people to assume we have choice because that would mean we have power. It would be said by some people that we don’t have power because only God has all the power.
All of Franklin’s statements seem to contradict each other in one way or another.
People can twist and turn his statements to make them seem right. I think that is the main point why Franklin wrote his letter, to get people thinking about how one thing could say one thing but mean something different, and make another thing seem completely ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

In this article Benjamin Franklin goes over each point individually and expresses the reasoning behind it. He proves how this point is true in its own sense. I think he believes what he is writing about to be true. He uses deductive reasoning to end all other possibilities and show how what he is talking about must be the only truth.
In each section he clearly says what he is defending and what he feels to be true. He then continues to back up his belief with evidence in life as to why it is true. He goes over the details of the section and uses examples that people can relate to, to prove his point and invoke belief in his readers.
Also in the end he clearly states that he believes this to be the undeniable truth. He says that he proved that it is true and that there is no counter argument to make his points false. So he is trying to convince his reader, not joke with them.
In this letter Benjamin Franklin shows all his different points and ideas. In the process of presenting them he continually proves that we can’t see the big picture. He shows all the minor points that don’t come together till the end.
It’s like how were writing this essay, if you read all the separate paragraphs it won’t make sense. But, just because you don’t understand it does not mean it’s not important. Each individual paragraph is very important to the end result.
If you read the entire essay you see how everything comes together and makes sense. If you read just the paragraph though, you would be confused and sometimes think that its just babble about something completely irrelevant. Once you read the whole essay it makes sense though.
All the different pieces building up to one conclusion is what Franklin is trying to show. He’s trying to show us that we may not understand the pieces but that’s ok as long as the end product is solid. He wants us to see that even though we may not understand the different parts that there still important to the end.
Puritans believe that they must completely trust God in all things. They believe that everything happens for a reason. They feel that they must not doubt the reasons that these things are happening because God has a plan and that in the end it will all turnout right. That no man is exempt from these beliefs each has an equal chance to prove himself.
Franklin say that God is all powerful and good. He says that we can’t see the big picture and that we must trust God. That each person has to make there own choices but those choices are predetermined by God. These beliefs are what the puritans have lived by their entire lives.
In the opening lines of Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence It says that all men are equal. That is essentially the point at which Franklin is trying to prove. He says that all men are equal in Gods eyes and are capable of the same thing.
He presents evidence that all people have free will and the things they do add up to a greater purpose. He says that all people have the same ability to achieve the same things and that all they can do is good. People don’t always see the greater good in what has happened because they’re not able see the end product.
In the fact that all men can only do good and that by the end product their actions are good shows that they are equal. All men have the same ability to do good and to be what they make themselves. These things all come together to prove that just like in Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence men are equal in societies just as they are in Gods standings.
These ideals and puritan beliefs are still around and incorporated into religions today. Those beliefs are what Franklin discusses. He argues each point backing it up with details as to why it’s true.

Anonymous said...

I believe that this is his way of saying that we are all morons. How we contradict ourselves in so many different ways, be it religion, how we live, or almost anything we do as a mass. Alone we almost never contradict ourselves, yet as a mass or a group we contradict ourselves time and time again. Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a way that only if you could understand what he means, would it make any sense to you at all. If you can’t understand it then all you do is argue because this whole writing stands against the beliefs you were taught as a child. It proves how everything you have learned about religion is wrong, and contradicts itself, proving to be false. If Benjamin had written this in a serious manner he probably wouldn’t have lived much longer, because people were far more religious and believed much heaver in their god. He would have told them that their almighty god was neither almighty, all wise, nor all good. If he had been completely serious people would be hunting him down and probably trying to kill him. He had to make this sound like he wasn’t serious for his own sake, and for anyone to even look at it. He wrote the truth of religion in a joking matter so nobody would understand how serious he was or how right he was.
Benjamin Franklin is serious about what he is talking about just not the way he says it. If he sounded serious in the way that he said it he would have been contradicting the religious beliefs of the whole country. When he says if you’re a moron and can’t understand what he’s talking about, he is trying to make it sound like the whole thing is a joke. If people who read it think it’s a joke their not going to care what he says, because they aren’t going to believe it. Everything he says in that writing makes sense, and is true, although nobody believes it because of the way he started this writing. If there is an all wise and almighty being that created us from his all wise, all good, and almighty self, we must in turn be all wise, all good, and almighty, while would allow us to do nothing wrong. This is true only if you want to believe what Franklin says, although the start of this paper leads the reader to believe that this writing is all a joke. The starting paragraph, if taken out, would cause this writing to be extremely serious, and he probably would have been thrown in jail or killed over it.
At this time some of the puritans started to disbelieve in their god. After the crucible and the Salem witch trials, the belief in the almighty, all good and all wise god started to fade. Franklin realized this and wrote this paper knowing that he could make people realize how foolish their religion had become. He wanted to change the society of America, so we would stop basing it upon a foolish religion. Once people realized that he was right, no matter how foolish he made it sound, they started to change how we ran the country. Using this paper Franklin got to the heart of the problem with society. The puritans believed that humans are naturally evil, which cannot be possible as we were created by the all good, all wise, and almighty god. The almighty god could not create an evil creature being as he is all good. He would not allow us to change our nature unless he consented to it, but being all wise we could not become evil without him knowing, and he would not allow us to become evil being as he is all good. We could not save ourselves unless god wanted us to change, which is god was almighty he wouldn’t have allowed us to become evil the first place. If the bible is the supreme authority, it would over power god, and being as it was not created by god, and being created by a human, this human must be mightier then god, and if god created all humans equal, then we are all more powerful then god. Making the bible not all powerful, since humans created it, and it overpowers god, there is no definite almighty being in this universe.
If you don’t believe in something you have the right to leave if you so choose. You also have the right to create your own beliefs and opinions. If you choose to separate from your original group, you have the right to be respected as a separate and equal group. You should be able to argue your opinion and why you choose to separate. He also talks about how pain is the driving force behind anything living, only to produce desire and create pleasure. In war thousands of men die for the desire to overcome an enemy and have the pleasure of victory. Soldiers risk their lives daily, living in pain, to have the pleasure of overpowering another and to protect what they care about. The pain of the British rule over the Americans gave them the desire to be freed from their rule, and the pleasure of victory feed into our countries heart. That drove Thomas to write the “declaration of independence” finally freeing us from their painful rule. Thomas also explains how god created us all equally and we all have the right to our freedom, our life, and the pursuit of happiness.

Anonymous said...

There are a variety of ways to interpret what this document by Benjamin Franklin actually meant. A lot of people who have read this document believe that what he said is true. I believe that Benjamin Franklin was being earnest and satirical all that the same time. It sounds like his main points are earnest and make some sense but he seemed to become sarcastic with his examples and stray from the main point. His main focus was to convince people what he is saying is true but he seemed to say sarcastic things to make the reader think and believe what he is saying. It seems to make sense because his events are in chronological order which makes things more convincing. Sometimes to make a point he even contradicts himself.
The poor have pain so they escape by dying. The poor people have to live for every day and don’t have to worry about what they lived for being missed or left on to others when they die. When the rich die its pain because they had too much to live for. The rich usually had their family to support and when they died they left all that they had for them so it was important to live for the best so you had a lot to leave behind for your loved ones. You can tell his sarcasm in this by his contradiction by saying pain is evil but in the end it says that pain is the only motivation of anything living.
There are also parts that are serious like when he said all men are created equal, because God created them all the same and is always with them. God controls all and is all wise, all powerful and all good and with all his wisdom he made us. As a part of making us he gave us Free will, but he also made us good because everything he does is good.
The problem with free will, is free will itself. If God controls everything and is all good that means all we can do is good things. If we have free will then we have the choice of doing anything including good and evil. If evil exists in the world then God is not all good and all powerful, but he also created the founder of evil, so evil is a choice for us to face with our free will. If we choose the wrong then we used our free will against what God wants us to be if he is all good and powerful and if we are supposed to be like him then he will not allow us to become faced with that choice.
Benjamin Franklin wrote this document to state a point, not to anger the people. The Puritans believe that God is all powerful and all wise, and Benjamin Franklin agrees with this in the beginning of his document. He goes through the document with the ideas and beliefs of the Puritan society. By the end of the document he shows through logic that this belief contradicts itself. He is not attacking the people he is just testing their logic.
He also points out that the evil is a part of Free will not something that the devil directly influences on us. People must be proactive about what they want to do not wait for God to do it for us. With this free will we must strive to make better lives for ourselves. God helps those who help themselves and based on this we must conclude that we must use our free will to dictate how we live our lives.
Thomas Jefferson’s writing, The Declaration of Independence is similar to Benjamin Franklin’s writing. They both have the same logic in their writing when it comes to talking about the laws of nature. They both also talk about pain and how humans are impelled to do things because of the laws of nature. These laws have to work in harmony otherwise things will fall apart and that is not the way that God intended for our world to be.
The fighting force of all these laws is pain. God chose to give us free will which gave us the choice to live our own lives. Pain keeps us from doing horrible things until we get a tolerance to the pain. The King of England has caused us pain by not enforcing the laws and rules that all people must abide by. God wants us to break away from that and that is using our free will as God intended.
In conclusion, Benjamin Franklin was being satirical through out the entire document except for the part about all men being created equal. I believe that this is a serious subject but it is discussed here in a sarcastic way in order to make the reader think and decide for themselves on what they believe is true.

Anonymous said...

Benjamin Franklin A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain

Benjamin Franklin wrote this letter to the people who say there is a god and to show his irony. He meant to show those people who had their eyes closed that their god has two sides. The result of him actually writing this letter was positive because, it explained that their god creates all things so in that case he also creates good and evil. But then some say that evil isn’t created it’s just the absence of good. This related to the puritan mores because, in the puritan mores if there isn’t good then there is evil, hence the absence of good is evil. This also related to the opening lines of The Declaration of Independence because, Thomas Jefferson wrote that god made man not man’s actions, the presence of man’s evil is the result of man’s absence of knowing good.
To the puritans at this time era it was a shock that someone would expose themselves to the public and question god’s goodness. There were very few people at the time that had started to side with Benjamin Franklin most just thought he was the anti- Christ. What they didn’t realize though is that he remained to keep his own opinion out of his letter he was just saying that “some” people think this. He just used other peoples thoughts not his own. Even without using his own thoughts he was still able to prove that the people’s god that he was very ironic. If he was the creator of good then he is also the creator of evil. But is evil really a bad thing or is it just what some people say is a bad thing? Or is it a positive result to the general population?
I think that evil is a positive result to the overall population, a population control. Natural selection and survival of the fittest are excellent examples of what some call evil. Where would our general society be without death we would probably run out of natural resources and ruin the environment, over population would become a huge problem. Without disease and cancer we would be over populated. I think of those things as a thinning of the people, you see it all the time in the forest and animal world natural disasters are the general thinning of the population such as, forest fires, volcano eruptions, earth quakes, tsunamis, and floods. In the natural world they have disease problems to but not so much as humans. Then some say that the only reason these things happen is because there isn’t any goodness in these situations just the lack of it.
Some people in the time era that this letter was written had agreed with him but others didn’t the letter had related to the puritans mores because, they believed that goodness was the result of god and evil was the absence of it. If you were evil you had not purified you soul to be able to have let god’s goodness in it. And to them if you do not have god’s goodness in your soul then you are evil. But, at the same time his letter didn’t relate to their mores because, they didn’t believe that god is the creator of evil. Since god creates every thing then god has to create evil. But is evil created or is it just the absence of goodness? This is where it is hard to relate to the puritans. Thomas Jefferson wrote in The Declaration of Independence that it is man that creates evil not the absence of good or the fact that god could be responsible for creating it.
Both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin had questioned god’s meaning for some people. I think that they both had good reasoning but Benjamin Franklin remained throughout the letter to keep his opinion out and Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence was all about opinions. Thomas Jefferson wanted the evils out of his life and Benjamin Franklin wanted to let people realize that what some people would say to be evil is in their lives. Same with Thomas Jefferson he wanted to freed from the British rule and get rid of the evils of their government and to address the general public’s anger toward their lack of freedom. Benjamin Franklin just let people that were so into their god that they forgot what a reality without their god would be like, how much more freedom they would be allowed to have without a sect religion. I think they both were some of the best and most intelligent for writing these letters to change our history.
Benjamin Franklin was on neither side of the controversy of god creating evil or man creating evil. He just pissed off both sides off. I think overall it was a positive piece of work and persuasive.

Anonymous said...

Arin White
English Class
2/5/07
Period 3
Persuasive Essay


“If a Creature is made by God, it must depend upon God, and receive all its power from Him; with which Power the Creature can do nothing contrary to the Will of God, because God is Almighty; what is not contrary to His will, must be agreeable to it; what is agreeable to it, must be good, because he is Good; therefore a Creature can do nothing but what is good.” – Benjamin Franklin
Franklin wrote this essay satirically, meaning, he did not intend on people taking this letter literally. He did not intend on people believing in the points he was making about God. In the quote above, Franklin writes about how God can not create anything bad because God is all good. Obviously we know this can not be true due to the fact there is probably more evil in this world than there is good. If we took this phrase literally that would have to make us one of two things. Either we were not created by God because some of us are evil, or God messed up, which is impossible because he is perfect. So that leaves us with only one option, if there is “evil” in this world then there is no God.
I’m pretty sure Franklin didn’t write this earnestly because it is obvious to even the most unintelligent people that there is evil and not everyone created by God is good. Franklin did not write this letter to get everyone to not believe in God. He was strictly writing satirically. He was taking a common belief and trying to give it the outlook of an If-Then statement. Basically he was problem solving in a literal way to get people to realize that God is only a belief and not a fact. He could have written about any other common belief, God is not the only topic that can be given an alternate outlook.
Franklin used satire to simply give people another approach and outlook at common beliefs. Enabling people only able to look at beliefs in a spiritual way and proving that if they looked at them in a literal way the belief would make no sense. He was not intending on proving the idea of God wrong, therefore he was not writing this letter earnestly.
If the Creature is thus limited in hi Actions, being able to do only such things as God would have him to do, and not being able to refuse doing what God would have done, then he can have no such things as liberty, free-will or power to do or refrain an Action.(Franklin). We know free-will exist and man can choose not to follow God. Since we are capable of choosing not to follow God we are also able to commit evil. Evil is not made by God, man created evil. God is not capable of creating evil but he allows man to be capable of creating it. He does not want use to become evil nor does he respect it but he has to let us commit evil acts because he gave use free-will. For example when we are born, we are 100% good. This is because we do not know the difference between good and evil. As we get older we learn from out mistakes and education what is good and evil. God did not supply us with the knowledge of good and evil when we are born because we learn it by doing it and creating it our self.
Another example would be authority in a classroom. Our English teacher is said to be brilliant and correct, that is a common belief among the students at Pleasant Hill High School. He wants us to write essays exactly how he explains, he even gives us written instructions and outlines so that they will be perfect. He expects them to be in on time and done correctly. However, since students have free-will we are able to not do them correctly, we often have the will to procrastinate and sometimes forget all together. Since Mr. Lawless can not be there to make us write it hand in hand, not turning it in and not doing the essay properly does not fall on him, the perfect teacher, but us, the incompetent students. Proving that we do have free-will and what we do with it, evil or not evil, is our own fault and responsibility. It is not out Gods fault or our teachers responsibility. It is merely our own.
Franklin gathered that, the majority of what people believe God to be makes it impossible for any of God’s creations to have the power of freewill. The puritans believe that as soon as they are born they are predestined to heaven or hell. They believe that God determines who is to be saved and who is damned. In franklins argument this would be incorrect because if God damned them to hell then he would be considered bad. Therefore such action can not be permitted because God is all good.
The puritans agree with Franklin that God is the governor of everything. But God does not control he just governs over the world and the free will of man. They believe that if you have God’s permission to sin it would be ok. God does not agree with sin but he does not stop man from committing it. Franklin relates to the concept of God that the puritans have but disagree with the powers of God and the responsibilities he has. Franklin started off by saying the God was said to be all good therefore he can not permit sin. Taking the belief of the puritans and stating them in such a way they seemed to contradict and be impossible.
Franklin talks about free will, the concept of sin, the creations limitations and God’s limitations. He writes by stating a part of a belief then contradicting it with another. He links all these concepts by starting with one concept that cannot be disproved, God is all good. If that concept cannot be disapproved then the rest for sure cannot.
Benjamin Franklin used the concept of a commonly known and accepted belief to make society question their over all morality. He made the point that was impossible to disagree with, when discussing the topic of belief. Franklin chose to write satirically in order to be understood by both religious and non-religious individuals.

Anonymous said...

Benjamin Franklin, as we know is a bald cubby man, but do we take him seriously? Sure he can fly a kite, has had a few ladies, but he is also intelligent. In his own different set of mind Ben Franklin has many contradicting questions for his essay: A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain. Ben is trying very had to figure out everything about “God” and his “handy work” that has people all in a tizzy for centuries. Wouldn’t you like to know the important answers that people have been wanting for? Ben wants to find those murky water’s that lay around “God” and “his” special talents. Questions that have meaning are all over Ben’s essay. Here are some thoughts from Ben’s essay that jump out at you and grab you. “What follows then, being a Chain of Consequences truly drawn from them, will stand or fall as they are true or false.” Or “Objection destroys itself; for whatever an infinitely good God hath wise Ends in suffering to be, must be good, is thereby made good, and cannot be otherwise.” That is only a couple of thoughts. The list goes on.
As the list goes on, Ben continues to think out his thought process. Do you thing that Benjamin Franklin would write this essay if he wasn’t serious? The research, resources and the interviews probably took a long time to gather. Then Ben had to actually sit down and come up with this essay. He once said,” If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead and rotten, either things worth reading, or do things worth the writing.” Ben is writing this essay for the people to remember him by. Many different people have come up with many different ideas on how God works or his ways. Ben is just trying to clear up the air that is soon will suffocate this world into oblivion. His essay is not as confusing as it may seem. Today this is still a very important issue all around the world. Ben is taking these issues’s one step further to figuring them out.
In trying to figure out these issue’s, lets go back to the Puritan beliefs. Ben’s thinking is most likely the same as the Puritan’s in his essay. If you have read anything about the Puritan’s, then you know how they can get about God and their favorite book… The Bible. The Puritan’s take everything that they read or hear from the Bible or church seriously. When Ben Franklin Explained what he thought was right in the lines or God or how God created everything that you see today. He helped confirm their belief about God. In Between Heaven and Hell, The Puritan Tradition, they say that they have two key parts that they follow. One, Personal salvation depends solely on the grace of God, not on individual effort. Second, The Bible is the supreme authority on earth. Ben explained both of these reasons in his essay. The Puritan’s would be very happy to hear what Ben had to say on the issue’s that has people talking still.
In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote along the same issue’s as Benjamin Franklin did. It also was almost the same as the Puritan’s. In Ben’s essay, as you know talks about God and his mystical ways. So in the Declaration of Independence, the King of Britain is playing the role of God and the people of the United States are his creatures that he created. “God” keeps the “creatures” happy by providing them with everything that they need to survive in the world. The “creatures” can’t do anything wrong because “God” said so. In Ben’s essay, A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain, Ben said,” There is said to be a First Mover, who is called GOD, Maker of the Universe.” The King of Britain helped make it happen for the people of the United States. The people should be grateful for what the King did for them. The King gave them protection, the British Army; he has ships that go to England to the United States and back with food and other merchandise. Then there are laws and rules the people have to follow so there is no evil going around, there for Ben Franklin is right in his essay.
Benjamin Franklin is very serious about his essay, A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain. He would not have written this essay if he wasn’t serious about what he was talking about. Ben follows the Puritan’s belief to a point. He helped Thomas Jefferson with the Declaration of Independence, with the letter to the King of Britain. Ben is not only the guy with the lighting rod, but the guy who helped the world with his writing.

Anonymous said...

Benjamin Franklin, as we know is a bald cubby man, but do we take him seriously? Sure he can fly a kite, has had a few ladies, but he is also intelligent. In his own different set of mind Ben Franklin has many contradicting questions for his essay: A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain. Ben is trying very had to figure out everything about “God” and his “handy work” that has people all in a tizzy for centuries. Wouldn’t you like to know the important answers that people have been wanting for? Ben wants to find those murky water’s that lay around “God” and “his” special talents. Questions that have meaning are all over Ben’s essay. Here are some thoughts from Ben’s essay that jump out at you and grab you. “What follows then, being a Chain of Consequences truly drawn from them, will stand or fall as they are true or false.” Or “Objection destroys itself; for whatever an infinitely good God hath wise Ends in suffering to be, must be good, is thereby made good, and cannot be otherwise.” That is only a couple of thoughts. The list goes on.
As the list goes on, Ben continues to think out his thought process. Do you thing that Benjamin Franklin would write this essay if he wasn’t serious? The research, resources and the interviews probably took a long time to gather. Then Ben had to actually sit down and come up with this essay. He once said,” If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead and rotten, either things worth reading, or do things worth the writing.” Ben is writing this essay for the people to remember him by. Many different people have come up with many different ideas on how God works or his ways. Ben is just trying to clear up the air that is soon will suffocate this world into oblivion. His essay is not as confusing as it may seem. Today this is still a very important issue all around the world. Ben is taking these issues’s one step further to figuring them out.
In trying to figure out these issue’s, lets go back to the Puritan beliefs. Ben’s thinking is most likely the same as the Puritan’s in his essay. If you have read anything about the Puritan’s, then you know how they can get about God and their favorite book… The Bible. The Puritan’s take everything that they read or hear from the Bible or church seriously. When Ben Franklin Explained what he thought was right in the lines or God or how God created everything that you see today. He helped confirm their belief about God. In Between Heaven and Hell, The Puritan Tradition, they say that they have two key parts that they follow. One, Personal salvation depends solely on the grace of God, not on individual effort. Second, The Bible is the supreme authority on earth. Ben explained both of these reasons in his essay. The Puritan’s would be very happy to hear what Ben had to say on the issue’s that has people talking still.
In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote along the same issue’s as Benjamin Franklin did. It also was almost the same as the Puritan’s. In Ben’s essay, as you know talks about God and his mystical ways. So in the Declaration of Independence, the King of Britain is playing the role of God and the people of the United States are his creatures that he created. “God” keeps the “creatures” happy by providing them with everything that they need to survive in the world. The “creatures” can’t do anything wrong because “God” said so. In Ben’s essay, A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain, Ben said,” There is said to be a First Mover, who is called GOD, Maker of the Universe.” The King of Britain helped make it happen for the people of the United States. The people should be grateful for what the King did for them. The King gave them protection, the British Army; he has ships that go to England to the United States and back with food and other merchandise. Then there are laws and rules the people have to follow so there is no evil going around, there for Ben Franklin is right in his essay.
Benjamin Franklin is very serious about his essay, A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain. He would not have written this essay if he wasn’t serious about what he was talking about. Ben follows the Puritan’s belief to a point. He helped Thomas Jefferson with the Declaration of Independence, with the letter to the King of Britain. Ben is not only the guy with the lighting rod, but the guy who helped the world with his writing.

Anonymous said...

I like how she phrased her paper. Very good spelling and had good info. Also she ROCKS DUDE!

Anonymous said...

to dillon tyler, your essay was really good but your first and second paragraphs sounded exactly the same. but it was still good.

Anonymous said...

The way grace phrased her paper.
blah blah blah blah it was good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude right on homey.

Anonymous said...

The way grace phrased her paper.
blah blah blah blah it was good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude right on homey.

Anonymous said...

Joe pro not to bad dude you could have put a little more thought into it but ill still give you props

Anonymous said...

Brandon, good job on stating some unknown, not obvious facts. I liked reading this because we both agreed on him being sarcastic. I your use of words for the most part. You need to fix your grammar and punctuations. Also look into correcting some run-ons. Other then that, over all it looked good.

Anonymous said...

Benjamin Franklin’s letter was not meant to confuse the readers. The first section is about god, and his unquestionable knowledge. This section suggests that we decided the qualities of good and evil. The second section was written with detailed examples meant to inspire those who are to soon face great challenges. This letter could be inserted in different segments of history and fit perfectly with how the outcome of each of the historical events ended.
The second part of this letter states how pain is directly related to pleasure. It explains how the more pain that a person has to endue, the greater the satisfaction or reward will be by the end of that struggle.
If you think about this concept in more broad terms, then if a group of people suffers a great deal the reward will be equally pleasurable for that group. Before this letter was written, the Greeks fought a massive battle against the Trojan empire. Although the Greeks suffered uncountable casualties, they outcome was an idea that brought one of the mightiest empires to the ground.
Just over 100 years after this letter was written, an African American named Nat Turner Had decided to rebel against a race that beat, abused, raped, and imprisoned all people with the same colored skin as him. He led a number of fellow slaves through houses murdering all whites in his path and setting free their slaves. Nat turner was eventually captured and executed. His struggle leaded to a large amount of rebellions that lasted over another hundred years.
In the 1950’s Rosa parks decided that the black race had suffered enough. While riding a bus she refused to give up her seat to a white passenger. This was against the law, but she knew that others would be motivated. Soon after, she was placed in prison and this act inspired many other s including Martin Luther king to act against this oppression. The reward was one of the greatest ever, after over 200 years of struggling, all races are equal.
In these three different time segments Franklin’s idea of pain and pleasure brought great victories. This section of the letter was written with knowledge that applied in the past, present, and more than likely, the future.
Benjamin Franklin wrote about God being all-powerful, all knowing, and all good. His idea was that god created us all in an image of him. Therefore being in his image, we are perfect and do nothing that he doesn’t want us to do. We know that humans “sin” and commit “wrong” acts on a day-to-day basis.
Humans are in fact the creators of good and evil. God knew that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge. By their doing so it would allow a future race to progress and do gods bidding for him. If god had stopped them from eating the fruit our existence according the Christian religion would not exist.
God has given us freewill to do whatever we want. I believe God has also given us a conscience to suggest self-control over actions that could wound his plans for us.
If Mr. Lawless walked across our classroom and smacked some kid for saying something racist to an exchange student everyone in the class would be shocked. God would have already known that Mr. Lawless was going to do this. God permits us to do these “evil” acts if it is going to benefit others in the future.
The puritans were very strict believers of god. They did not doubt his power or suggest that he is not good. I, like the puritans, believe that god works in ways that we are not meant to understand.
Benjamin wrote about his knowledge being endless. He knows all things that will be done wrong in our lives. Like Franklin wrote, god knows nothing but good. Therefore, our evils are already known to god and he is planning on us to do what he knows we are going to do. The act that we are going to commit is going to affect someone in a positive way that will help out the population as a whole.
If a shooting were to happen, and a young boy killed everyone would think that god didn’t exist. Maybe that boy was going to grow up to kill innocent citizens that god believed should not die. If instead of the boy dying a boy was born into this world, the family would thank and praise god for existing.
Franklin briefly describes how God is blamed for people’s troubles. If God has planned for one person to die, then it must be for the greater good. The family that lost that kid would think the reason he died was because god wasn’t watching over him. The person or thing God designed to carry out his bidding then would be considered evil by the victim’s family.
Truthfully this creation is a reflection of its creator but is misunderstood entirely by those who believe it is evil. The creator made that specific person or creature with the purpose of ending the kid’s life. Most would think this is an act of cruelty and would never consider that it might be for a reason that the kid died. Although they would not know how the child’s presence within heaven would benefit the overall plan.

Anonymous said...

to Gorvin
your paper was pretty good, i just thought that it was kind of Repetitive. you just repeat your ideas. but good job!

Anonymous said...

to denise
your paper was very insightive and had a lot of imformation to hold the paper together. good job!

Anonymous said...

To Bonnie
you cant make a comment about cliff notes in you papper assume that everyone knows what your taking about. then you say that "Benjamin Franklin is intending for you to read this at first" read what?? your need to say what it is, and what you mean.other than that your paper is good.

Anonymous said...

Dillon Tyler
your essay is confusing
in the beginning you forget to mention who you are talking about.
there are also many statements that use themselves as their basis of arguement.
Also, dont forget to make sure all your tenses in a sentance are the same, not changeing between past and present without reason.
There are many worthwhile ideas but be more straight forward about how you display them.
finally, make a coherent conclusion.

Anonymous said...

I thought his paper was well written with a good variety of word choice. It was also very persuasive and proved Benjamin Franklin's main points of veiw.

Anonymous said...

cal, your essay was interesting, and you had many good points, but i dont understand what side you took because you said he was being serious adn sacrcastic.

Anonymous said...

Chelsea Zlotek said...
To Cal Barkman
I thought his paper was well written with a good variety of word choice. It was also very persuasive and proved Benjamin Franklin's main points of veiw.

11:30 AM

Anonymous said...

to denise
you have stated your points and backed up your theory really well. i never thought to look at it from your point of view.the way you said it it makes sence that he could really being serious about what he is stating and saying.your conclusion and introduction were good.

Anonymous said...

To Casey:
*Punctuation and grammar errors some examples: I believe that Benjamin Franklin was being earnest and satirical all that(I think you meant at) the same time...
God controls all and is all wise, all powerful(need a comma here) and all good...
*Didn't quote the excerpt from the letter correctly(paragraph 2)
*Some paragraphs didn't have transitional phrases and were a little hard to follow
*You brought up good points and showed the evidence behind them. It was easy to believe what you were saying

Anonymous said...

Denise,
Your essay was good! The only thing that I really saw that was wrong is the only thing you talked about is how all men are created equal. You need to find more things to compair and talk more in depth on your topics like how there is pain and the pain people went through and the beliefs of the people and the Puritans. You did a good job but a few times you went of topic and talked about something different but then you recovered well and got back on point. You did a Good Job!

Anonymous said...

To Casey Mercer
your paper appears to be well throught out but there are many errors that stop the sentances from flowing. Make sure you fully develop ideas in the middle of Paragraphs and dont randomly and arbitrarily throw in additional bits of information. Good job in general just work on development and logistics.

Anonymous said...

I dont like Mr. Lawless' Class sometimes.

Anonymous said...

To Casey Mercer
I think your paper was simple yet smart and to the point good job you deserve a mdal.

Anonymous said...

Ill give you a cookie nice job sis. -James

Anonymous said...

to grace
grace you did a good job at backing up your theorys,but you did repeat yourself one or twice.i liked your essay though it was really good

Anonymous said...

dear cal, i think your essay is great, although i think you could have gotten your main point around without sounding so complicated. your writing is great! but if it wasn't as complicated it wouldn't have changed the meaning of your essay so i don't think it was neccesary, you didn't take into concideration who would be reading these. "This main impelling point of human existence is to work for yourself because God gave us the choice to squander it if we so wish." this line could have been said in a way that isn't so complicated i had to read it a couople times to understand, but i would have gotten the point if it was easier to read either way.

Anonymous said...

ashley, you made your point in a way that is easily understandable, i liked it. i think in the first two paragraphs you could have had more examples to get the readers interested, although you had good ideas about things that are evil. some people don't question god and his powers or what not but its good that you challenged that although alot of people would disagree with you.check you spelling dude, i love you!

Anonymous said...

poop

Anonymous said...

Ranae A. Crowley
English
2/1/07
The one

My class read the Dissertation on liberty and necessity, pleasure. Benjamin Franklin was messing with all of are minds in that paper. He was talking about how God is so wise and good he made all living things that mean even people. Franklin also says that God dos not do evil any thing with evil. WRONG God made people and our whole life so he knows what’s going to happen to us when we are going to be happy, sad, sleepy, when we die or, when we lie and do any thing with evil. Every one has there won believes and religion but we all know we do some type of evil in are life’s and God made us like that so we can learn from are mastics that’s life. I Ranae Crowley believe Benjamin Franklin was playing around all a joke. Benjamin Franklin talks about how God is the maker of the universe, How he’s wise, and powerful. Every thing God does is good and nothing he does is evil. Some parts Franklin say’s God is the Almighty but in another part he said that he’s evil makes people do evil things. People do evil things and God does know what we did and new it was going to happen he does that in a good way. God loves every thing he made animals, plants, people and more he would never hurt us in a way of evil. Life is not a holy palace every day is like a war and that’s life. If you believe in God than you go to haven when you die. You could believe in something else then God. In some way you know that after death is going to be better then now. Benjamin Franklin was saying what he believed in, about God how he’s so good, wise, and how he makes people do evil. Franklin was greedy in he litter there was no point no use to the people in America. On the other hand Thomas Jefferson in Declaration of Independence was not the same as Franklin’s. Jefferson want did freedom for him and he’s people he knew how every one was suffering pain and how the king was using them. He talked about how God would want them to fight for their rights and that God would not want them to live this way there whole life’s. Jefferson was not like Franklin saying stuff like God loves us but he’s the one making us live this way he Mack’s us do evil but he loves all of us. Jefferson new God was with all of them and need did to tell ever one.

Anonymous said...

Michael Schied
American literature
2-4-07
Period 4


Life, Liberty and Religion Still in Mind

In Ben Franklin’s “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain,” he was being serious about his support of popular perspectives on religion and the nature of god.
His claims that “there is said to be a first mover,” and that “he is said to be all-wise, all-good, all powerful” reflect the 18th century belief in the perfection of god. However, his logic or reasoning is written is such a way that this belief gets in the way of freedom. Franklin’s conclusion, that if god was all wise all powerful then we would have no liberty, forces us to make a choice between liberty and religion.

Was he or was he not being serious Franklins document talks about how the maker, creator or god who what u believe in if he is “all-good wise, whatsoever he doth must be good. “ he is said to be all-wise all-good all powerful. What do people believe in all is good or all is not perfect I think Franklin was being serious but sarcastic because about religion its based on personal opinion life liberty is to we all need liberty or we would have nothing besides what the past is based on and we would have to fallow religion beliefs and we would not have what we have to day we proudly would still live like they did back then in the 18th century but now we can decide on what are thoughts are if we had no life liberty we would not be able to decide between liberty and religion.

The puritans beliefs are a lot like Franklin’s document the puritans lives are based on the bible puritans” the bible is the supreme authority on earth” that’s a lot like when Franklin states “if a creature is make by god it must depend upon god and receive all its power from him.” The puritans saw themselves as gods chosen people. Must religion is based similar in action with there supreme creator. The puritans say personal salvation depends on the grace of god not the individual effort. With the puritan’s thoughts or beliefs they have no self liberty.

Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklins documents the both refer to the driving forces of nature. Thomas and franklins documents state that all men should be created equal that would mean we would have no liberty. The puritans and Jefferson docs they are allot similar with franklins document a dissertation on liberty and Necessity, pleasure pain. They all pretty much quote about life liberty and purist of happiness. Although Jefferson was a law maker he was making laws that implied with life liberty.

Together with three documents and all talking about life liberty and pursuit of happiness they have a lot in common. All the beliefs and facts are true and the question still do they get in the way of religion today and life liberty is still in mind they must be if we right about them.

There is a creator and we are not all perfect and we won’t be. There might be one person that is perfect the creator maybe that’s what people say. “All the documents quote about religion and liberty.”
Liberty all the documents are spoken with liberty of opinion so why would they get in the way because people let it get in the way of there liberty and religion if we had no life liberty we would not have a good nation but also if we had no religion we would have nothing. Alls we need in life is liberty and people to benefit there selves more and more in to a better person now with all the documents I hope u learned about life liberty and religion and how they can get in the way of each other.

Anonymous said...

Riley strader
American literature
Per. 3
2-7-07
Franklins dissertation

In the late 1700s Franklin was ahead of his time, he was the smartest kid around him. So what do you do when nobody likes you, well Ben wrote an essay deceiving everything that god made as a rule in the bible. If you believe in god and the bible than why would you write a letter so significant to history debating god rules of the world that he created? Ben might not have believed in god fully maybe, or perhaps he wanted to know why people say they are free but they still get in trouble. Ben just wanted and answer to all the questions of the bible or the rules of god.

At nineteen he wrote such a meaningful story. But why would you do this to question suppior authority? Perhaps he wanted to perfect the rules of freedom and to clarify what all the bible states? Ben wants to know if god is all mighty and knows what your doing at all times than why do we say we are free? This had to bring huge debate to everyone in Washington. Ben wanted equal rights for everyone in the United States, as well as correcting the ways the people believe in the rules of god. If he is almighty than why can’t he give everyone there freedom, because he knows what everyone is doing before they do it therefore there is no such thing as freedom.

The puritans believe that you must earn your freedom, it shall not be handed to you as a gift. You have to go to church be a good husband and father, son whatever. But why must you earn your freedom when god gave it to as you were born. The highest ruler is overthrown on one of his own rules. If you follow the puritan ways that makes you a sinner doing the wrong of god. So why for so many years did people do the wrong to get freedom, when it was given to them for free? I don’t know why.

If god is all good he must do all good, right? No, he knows are destiny where when and how we are going to die. Why should we receive all of our power and do all good for the one who holds our destiny in his hands, because he knows what were going to do when we die. Treat him well and you will be well, do no evil and you shall not see the eyes of evil. Ben states that he is all good so creatures can do nothing but good. Wrong creatures live by doing bad, eating one another to stay alive is a must to not die. So why would the all good make creatures that survive off of killing one another. Also every creature must be equally esteemed by the creator, but why would you make a more dominant species that will eventually extinct another species.

Franklin wrote this essay because he wanted to know things in exact words, and exact truth about the way people see Christianity and the ways people believe in it. So did Franklin write this letter to contradict everyone or to get everybody on the same page about the rules of religion.

Puritans believe that if you have gods permission to sin it is ok, but god doesn’t agree with sinning but doesn’t stop them from doing so Franklin relates to the concept of God that the puritans have but disagree with the powers of God and the responsibilities he has.
But if your predestined to heaven or hell at birth as the puritans believe, why shall you be predestined to hell when you haven’t done anything bad. It’s the stupid beliefs of the puritans.

How can you keep faith in something you can’t see and something that isn’t even proven to exist is what Ben is trying to say in a more soft and more formal way. In the Declaration of Independence Jefferson talks about breaking prior bonds when the time comes to do so just like when the time comes to question faith. Franklin’s writings he speaks in almost the exact same manner. He says if a person, or group, is limited in his actions, by god, than there is no way any thing that god would not have done, wouldn’t be permitted by him. Franklin’s dissertation and the opening lines of The Declaration of Independence both talk abut the freedom given to them by their all-powerful creator.

Anonymous said...

mike shchied, poop, yours was ok. a little confuseing, but solid. two thumbs up bra!!

riley strader

Anonymous said...

I think that Benjamin Franklin was being sarcastic when he was talking about God, because, he sound as if he was trying to be funny. When Benjamin Franklin was saying that God is all wise, all good, and all powerful, we was telling John that god is ALL good then he must only “do” good and he can’t do bad, at whatever he does. If God created men all equal does that make him equal? Who created him?

Although it was funny when Benjamin Franklin said that ANY creature created by god couldn’t do anything but good but then again how do the animals survive if they have to eat other animals to stay alive. That would be doing “bad” if they killed the other animals. If god saw that two men were fighting do you think he would stop them or let them go at it or do you think he already know what going to happen and he wants to test the men to see IF they know what the right thing to do is. This topic is VERY debatable and I have different opinions on each side that could be argued upon.

In my opinion Benjamin Franklin’s letter to John Dryden was very sarcastic sounding. There are many ways and examples that support my opinion.

First example stating that “If he is all powerful, there can be nothing either existing or acting in the universe against or without his consent, and what his consents to must be good, because he is good, therefore evil doth not exist.” That quote was stated by Benjamin Franklin and to me it sounds like he’s saying that him and his creations and creatures have nothing but good in them therefore evil doesn’t exist in this world which to some people it may be a false statement.

To some people they may believe different religions; therefore some may think different things about the good and evil factors. In many ways people can be good but also in many ways it can be bad in the same way.

In the opening line of The Declaration of Independence wrote by Thomas Jefferson, he talks about how if a certain group or people are wrongly accused or persecuted by another larger group then it is their God-Given right to separate form that group. Which is understandable, when it comes to Benjamin Franklin’s letter, because that’s exactly what he was trying to do; he even stated his reasoning in blunt explanation. These things come together prove that just like Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence men are equal in societies just as they are in Gods standards. I think that Benjamin Franklin is trying to make us see that, what this is all saying is that having the power and the choice to make the right decision is what God is giving us to survive. In the End God has given this test to see what road we will take in life.

Anonymous said...

I agree entirely with Ben . . .The whole idea of Standing off in the distance when he makes this fantastic letter, makes me really think. Through this entire thing about if you say one thing about Religion it piss’ someone off further on down the road, which I think if religion makes other people mad about other religions or about different beliefs, why do we have religion? The whole idea of praying to someone who is not there to hear or see you in person kind of strikes me of in some ways pointless. I am not disagreeing with anyone or anything but it really would be a whole hell fo a lot easier if there was only one damn religion that everyone liked and everyone agreed on. If God is all powerful, then why are there some things that are evil? Or called evil to some. If there is only one way to be good and God is maker of everything, has God laid our life out in front some of us to be only evil? Take Adolf Hitler for example, he was the one responsible for millions of murders to Jewish people, did God make him that way or was it kind of weird
act that made him do it? This has many people wondering what he had against the Jewish community, but also there are some others that may think that God made him do it, if he didn't kill all of them how would the world be now? So Ben does have a point to some extent, but in the end I agree with him entirely. But on the other hand I can see how some people might be offended by his writing and his statements he put in this article. The Puritans left the Church of England to make their own religious beliefs, and had nothing to do with the Church of England, they made their own thing. After Separating from England they came to America, and abided by all of the rules of the bible, they thought that this was god's laws, and everyone had to relate to the laws and follow them all. They took time out of their own life's to be "Purified" which hadn't been done for the past 1500 years. This connects Ben and the Puritans because they both kind of believe in the same thing, but in different ways, but in the end they both to come out to be the same thing. The Puritans made it easy to join in if you want to say that, but Ben never had anything to join in, but they come out to be the same thing. Well the Declaration of Independence says damn there the same thing, which Ben might have got most of his ideas for his Paper. In The Declaration it says that “Mankind should declare the causes which Impel them to the separation”. Which is saying that the nation may Split due to certain caus’s that their own nation has created. Or in this case certain things due to Religion or different things that they have created that others don’t totally agree on entirely. Which in his writing and in the Declaration he makes a lot of the same points but in different ways.

Anonymous said...

Codey Crawford
American Literature
February 7, 2007

Franklin’s theory on God and the Christian religion

God’s creatures have free will. What does this mean? That we can choose our own fate, we as a race can rise or fall in society, because we were not created equally. That if we were created by the all wise, all good God how can there be unde malum. I believe that Franklin was trying the belief in the all good and wise God contradicts itself in almost every aspect in which the religion was based upon, like if the all good God created you then, you can’t do bad things because God is all good, or that God is all powerful. If so then how can something made of all good do some thing bad, unless there is stronger force making you do it. Then were right back to the beginning that it always contradicts itself. I believe that is what Franklin was earnestly stating in his facts but his reasons and examples were satirical.

Child molestation. There is nothing good about that. If the all good God created the molester then it must be good, and that innocent child now has to live the rest of his life with the memory of being molested. The child didn’t ask to be treated in such a sick and inappropriate manner; he didn’t deserve to be treated like that because nobody can deserve to be treated that way. The “Molester” must not have been created by God because the all good, all wise God wouldn’t let something that sick and wrong be okay. If God created all the creatures therefore they get their power from him, moreover the molester is given power from God to molest a child. Molestation has no purpose, no upside to it it’s just wrong and there is no way to justify those actions in the religion. I think that Franklin was also trying to say that God is not all good, because he wouldn’t let that happen to a little child, he would use his powers to stop the evil molester from doing this. But if God wasn’t all powerful then he wouldn’t have a choice because if you don’t have the power to stop something that doesn’t make you bad but definitely not all powerful because something more powerful and more evil would be in control of the molester.

Human beings are inherently evil. That is the first puritan’s belief; already they are contradicting the religion because if the all good God created you then you can’t be Evil. Then the very next sentence they say the struggle to over come their sins. If they were created by the all powerful God they shouldn’t have to struggle. Their next belief states that only God can decide who goes to heaven. Humans have no choice because God already knows who will to heaven and who wont; That contradicts their first belief that you have to struggle to overcome your sins but if God already knows who can get into heaven and who cant they shouldn’t need to struggle to get to heaven just live out their lives and try to be the best people that they can be because there’s that chance that God wont let you come to heaven.



All men are created equal that is what Thomas Jefferson states in the Declaration of Independence, but that isn’t at all what the puritans believed because if all were created equal then every person should be able to go to heaven. It also states that if the government becomes corrupt that the people have the right to abolish in pursuit of a new improved government based on the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So if every one has this right to pursue what they think to be happiness they shouldn’t have to struggle to fight their sins to get into heaven, but not every one gets into heaven only God can decide who will go to heaven. So in that case all men are not created equal and you can’t always fulfill the pursuit of happiness.

All in all you can see how religion contradicts itself in almost every way, whether it’s in the old puritan’s beliefs or with the examples of real life situations. And Franklin was trying to show this to all the important people such as land owners and the rich people who are unequal to those who don’t have those things that would read what he wrote. But I also believe that he used some examples very sarcastically just to try and get people all in a huff about his opinions.

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Jay white
American literature
2-6-07

Franklin on puritans, declaration, god, liberty,

If a creature is made by god it must depend upon God, and receive all its power from him, with which power the creature can do nothing contrary to the will of god, because he is almighty, what is not country to nothing country to the will of God, because he is almighty, what is not contrary to his will must be good, because he is good, therefore a creature can do nothing but what is good. Those words were said by Benjamin Franklin he also came up with many other points like how and what are some Puritan beliefs, how God is said to be all good and almighty, and liberty. Benjamin Franklin said God is powerful almighty but people can make the choice on good decisions and bad all God is not going to stop the bad ones even though he is all good. Another thing is like people stealing. They can go and steal without him stopping them it comes down to can he stop them? Is he really all powerful? Or is he not all good?
Benjamin Franklin also talks about liberty he quotes, “Liberty is sometime understood the absence of opposition and in this sense, indeed all of our actions may be said to be the effects of our liberty but is a liberty of the same nature with the fall of a heavy body to the ground it has liberty to fall that is, it meets with not to hinder it fall, at the same time it necessitated to fall, and has no power or liberty to remain suspended.” You can tell that he is very fond of liberty

When it comes to the Puritans according to Benjamin Franklin they live by the bible and they are very humble people. The puritans believe that human beings are inherently evil and so they the puritans have to overcome there sinful nature. Sin was one of the first things a puritan child learned about. The key to the puritan heart and soul is a religious belief. The puritans also believe that the bible is the supreme authority on earth. Puritans believed that the bible was the sole guide not only in governing the morale and spiritual life but also in governing the moral and spiritual life but also in governing the church and society as a whole. An effect on this belief was to make puritan churches more democratic, organized around their congregations rather than around ruling bishops. On the other hand it led the puritans to be more reposessive in there political systems and more intolerant of others.
To change subjects somebody who also said something like Benjamin Franklin Thomas Jefferson he said that he holds these truths very close to him and that all men are created equal. he also says that if us the people have something that is of no sense that the government is enforcing we have the right to overthrow them and have reselected government that we may then be satisfied with. I think that Benjamin Franklin was A very decent man who was and is very intelligent he has good points on many subjects and he has many beliefs.

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Katie Shane
2/6/07
period 3
American Literature

Benjamin Franklin

Franklin wrote an essay talking about how god is good and he is the creator of all and all he creates can only do good. But in his essay he seams like he is being sarcastic in which he is. The main idea is how good is every thing, like it is made out to be. It is hard to decipher if he is being serious or being sarcastic but by the way he questions the evil and good subject. He picks apart the whole idea of this. Which is even more evidence that he is sarcastically thinking. It basically makes people question there own beliefs and ideas about religion. And if it is true that good is all powerful and creator of all good and everything he creates is good then for example then why do people get terminally ill or die in tragic accidents. Why does anything bad ever happen? Why is there misfortune or bad luck. Why is there an unending list of negative things. And since is does why doesn’t god do anything to stop it, and if he does how would we know if he does make an effort to stop all the bad things going on in the world. There are many different ways to look at this. Different peoples cultures like for instance the Puritans. They thought everyone started out evil and struggle there whole life to not be evil. So a lot of people were destine to go to heaven or hell. And there was no way of knowing until it was to late. But it was not like they could have been able to ix it any ways. The puritans were very intolerant of other peoples regions and so was Benjamin Franklin. But the puritans did use the bible to there advantage to make things seams good or the right thing to do. So do people really believe franklins views or do people have there own believes but transform them to fit their own life styles better and to make them feel better about them selves because they can make their own standards and rules and live by them. That doesn’t seam like too hard of a thing to do for me. They also believed they were the chosen people of god, and you could only go to heaven if you spent your whole live struggling to overcome the natural born evil inside of them. There is also the example of Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence. He says “We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” In Franklin’s essay he says that everyone is created by god, and god is all good, so then everyone is equal. I think that Franklin; Puritans and The Declaration of Independence may not all be related, but pretty much all the same idea, But with out much connections. Back in the day everything was based on religion, and good and all his power and goodness. In terms of the declaration of Independence it seems like everyone is supposed to be equal and to make every thing good, as of what god is about and Ben Franklin’s general idea, but he didn’t really mean it like the Declaration of Independence meant it. Or the Puritans thinking every one starts out evil but are only doomed if they are not carefully chosen by god.. Ben’s point of view is mostly a christen religion that a lot of people would be able to argue most of the beliefs system. Maybe Ben franklin is arguging that gods plan is gods plan and that everything will work out. But there is still the question of evil and where does that come from. Maybe god’s plan includes that he doesn’t want people to take things for granted or other people for granted and that why he takes things away from us. But is that evil or good in god’s eyes. Doesn’t really make much sense. The question still lye’s, what is evil or were does it come from. Is god being like the Puritans, is he using his power to conform what he is doing into something that is good or the right thing to do. Then are the Puritans and god more related then I thought or any one thought. Maybe there is more of a connection, more ties to the Declaration of Independence too.

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Katie Sterling
American Literature
February 1, 2007
Period 3


I believe that Benjamin Franklin was being sincere when he wrote this article, A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain. If he wasn’t being serious then he would not have asked so many questions. Franklin also would not have taken the time to make an outline that had crucial reasoning of what he thought. If you take Franklins’ thoughts into consideration, they all logically make sense. It would take more effort to not be sincere if one were to write this article. I believe he was being sincere in the article because he has set examples and analogies to other articles previously written.

In Benjamin Franklin’s document he states that god is perfect, he created everything, there for everything must be perfect. I believe Benjamin Franklin is being serious when he wrote this document. He is trying to understand how god can be perfect in every way. He lays out an outline that has logic reasoning and statements that support his opinions. God can not be perfect if he created evil. He would not be pure. If god was perfect and created everything then he would not have created heaven and hell. There would be no reason for hell if god forgives everyone those sins. We have no liberty if every one were the same and god planned out our lives. Everything Benjamin Franklin is saying makes sense.

What Franklin is saying goes against the bible. He is pointing out what is said to be good and realizing the negative subjects. The document makes sense but, it douse not connect with what god is recognized for. He is saying god is perfect he is the high and mighty creator of the universe. As Franklin says it “He is said to be all-wise, all-good, all-powerful.” This is what people think of god because there has been no controversy over weather this is a true or false statement. This argument can go either way; Franklin has statements and reasoning that support what he thinks. Franklin has made me think that he is being honest and serious. If god created everything then he created evil. God can not be pure if he created evil. Which also means he can’t be perfect? God is thought to be all these things; if he is then he is not pure because hell is a place. He had to create hell or the devil, which relates this document to the puritans.

This relates to the puritans because its hinting god is not perfect. The puritans are afraid of the devil. They don’t want to believe in hell and the devil. God can’t be perfect if humans created evil. If god created our state of minds then god still was the one who created evil. Everything leads back to heaven and hell, god and the devil. Are they soluble? It’s something else that is said to be good but is unknown. If god and the devil are known to be like water and oil then why did god create the devil? The devil is god’s underdog. God can not be all-wise and all-powerful if he works with the devil. Every person is different there for god must give liberty and free will. This sounds much like Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence.



The Declaration of Independence and a Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity,
Both sound like one of the same. In the Declaration of Independence Thomas Jefferson is saying that the King of Britain is much like the “God” over the people of the United States. Just as Benjamin Franklin justifies God is the ruler of the universe and nobody knows any different in his article. Each document also talks about the driving force of humanity. They both refer to the human laws of nature and if god really is pure. Benjamin Franklin states “If he is all-powerful, there can be nothing either existing or acting in the Universe against of without his Consent; and what He consents to must be good, because He is good; therefore Evil doth not exist.” This is much like the king he has power and control over everything. He acts upon the people and chooses what laws can and can not be passed. It is not up to the people. Franklins’ document says if a creature is made by god then it must depend on god. If the king controls the people then they are depending on him, “the mighty one.” This leads me to believe that Benjamin Franklin is be serious when taking the time to write his article.

After knowing material about the Declaration and then reading Franklins’ reasoning, I think he has been honest and sincere. His ideas are strong and don’t leave a reader wondering why he has made the statement that he made. Throughout this article the ideas stream together to make sense.

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Benjamin Franklin Essay

Benjamin Franklin wrote this letter when he was nineteen in a serious tone. He also believed in what he wrote. This letter isn’t addressed to anyone with a specific religious belief, it’s based on ideas that anyone can relate. This is because it’s neither based on the idea that a God might be the higher power or that there isn’t a God in the first place. The letter is based on beliefs concerning religion that lie in the brains of common people. Franklin wrote this letter in the perspective of an average Joe, although he never fully gave his true opinion on the matter. So given that he viewed liberty and necessity from different sides, he believed both sides. He did so by supporting the higher. His beliefs concerning pleasure and pain were the same as the ones about liberty and necessity. Franklin continued to speak in a neutral tone, not giving a personal statement regarding his beliefs. Although since he kept the same tone throughout the letter, a reader can understand that he viewed the ideas of pleasure and pain in the same serious tone. With that said, Benjamin Franklin believed in what he wrote because Mr. Franklin viewed the ideas of pleasure and pain with the same impression.

Benjamin Franklin was wrong when it came to liberty, necessity, pleasure and pain. If there is a God and “He is all-powerful” and “there can be nothing either existing or acting in the Universe against or without his Consent; and what He consents to must be good, because He is good; therefore Evil doth not exist” that doesn’t make since because every thing is good. How could everything be good? There is no way to say something is good because it is impossible to compare being good to anything else. If one cannot compare something being good to anything, then how is something considered good? It cancels itself out in that case, and the word good can’t be used for anything.

The letter that Benjamin Franklin wrote does relate to Puritan. Puritans are very religious. God and life revolving around the church are very important to them... He never stated that he believed in God, but the first part of his letter regarding liberty and necessity was based on if you believe in God or not. It stated things about God like “He is said to be all-wise, all-good, all-powerful” and “If He is all-good, whatsoever He doth must be good.” They believed in God and religion. One thing that differs between the Puritans and Franklin’s letter is what happens if you don’t believe in God. In Franklin’s letter, he bases his statements about people that believe in God. His letter wasn’t even written for someone that didn’t believe in God, so one could think that his letter was written to a religious person. Puritans couldn’t really relate to Franklin’s thoughts about pain or pleasure, but instead someone would just be punished for disobeying the Puritan ways. Franklin’s letter because the ideas of pleasure and pain are both brought up, just in different ways. In Franklin’s letter, he stated “that every Creature hath as much Pleasure as Pain.” In Puritan beliefs, people are punished for things they do wrong, and they get no pleasure after they get pain. His letter was and wasn’t related to all of the other ideas.

Franklin’s letter and The Declaration of Independence relate to each other. The Declaration of Independence had a lot to do with God. Some examples of this were the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them and men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness Both of those statements were directed towards a religious person because God was mentioned. Franklin’s letter said God but the idea of believing in a God wasn’t directed at all, it was written for anyone to agree or disagree with. In The Declaration of Independence there was no statement saying that a God didn’t exist, Jefferson wrote it for a citizen that believed in God. Different religions and religious beliefs have expanded in the past centuries, which is weird because in Franklin’s letter he directed it towards multiple beliefs. The Declaration of Independence said there was a God. Jefferson and Franklin’s documents were different.

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Dale Johnson
American literature
Period 3

Benny’s essay


In Ben Franklin’s story I think for many reasons that Ben Franklin is being very serious but in a sarcastic kink of way. For example, he says “there is nothing done in the universe says the photospheres, but what god either does, or permits to be done. This, as he is almighty, is certainly true; But what need of this distinction between doing and permitting?’ I think Ben Franklin is trying to say throughout the story that if god is the almighty, then we must depend on him because he is the creator of every thing including your decisions your thoughts and your actions. I think Ben Franklin is being sarcastic when he says, “If a creature is made by god, it must depend upon god, and receive all its power from him with which power the creature can do nothing contrary to the will of god, because god is almighty what is not contrary to his will, must be agreeable to it, must be good, because he is good therefore a creature can do nothing but what is good.” I think when he says’s things like if and maybe he’s trying to question both believers and non believers. Saying things like “a creature can do nothing but what is good”, is not even a true sentence because there is rape and killing all in the world. There are people and religions in this world that believe in god and one of those religions are the puritans.
The puritan religion believe in, in what they think is the most important thing in there religion, total depravity and predestination. Total depravity is the belief that through Adam’s fall, every human is born in sin and will stay sinner, unless you have been chosen through predestination which is the belief that god saves those who he wishes, only a few are selected for salvation and only those who are chosen will live with the lord in the afterlife. In Ben Franklins story he says “if there is a god he is the almighty” which means if he is the almighty then he knows if your going to hell, or if your going to be saved through salvation. What Ben Franklin is saying, and what the puritans are saying are essentially? The same thing, that if god is the almighty then he knows if your going to be saved or not and if he chooses you for predestination then you will be saved. There are a lot of stories, and declarations that compare to and disagree to the puritan beliefs, and one of those is the declaration of independence.
In the declaration of independence it says that it’s a right to have your freedom. And to the puritans that is wrong because they think you are born with it, if you are one of the chosen ones through predestination. In the declaration of independence it says all men are created equal, which means everyone follows the same rules and no ones better than any one else. The puritans think that one person can be more enlightened then another person.
All the ideas and beliefs that Jefferson, and Ben Franklin, and the puritans have aren’t necessarily wrong. All these beliefs and religions have there own opinion about there own beliefs, and are backed up by loads of information and facts about there religion and beliefs. And they all should be recognized. I think that Ben Franklin is trying to say his opinion without trying to draw a lot of attention to him self, which is a very good idea because he would be making a lot people mad for example, Christians and the puritans, who believe in god and knows that he exists, as god and the almighty.

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A very good use of information, but i dont think it would hurt for you to go to church. good job!! josh

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Good job keleb i liked your transitions.

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Rachael Kirkland
2/14/07
American Literature
Period 4


Satirical Franklin

How does one say something that they mean, without truly saying it and without losing the respect of his or her peers whose beliefs may be very different from one’s own? Benjamin Franklin managed this by separating himself from the view of what he was writing about in his document, “A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain.” Although he separates himself from the view of there being an almighty God and he does not say one way or the other, I believe him to be a satirical, non believer. For Franklin in his own life was not a very godly man, nor could someone in his position ignore what evils were going on around him on a daily basis.
Evil, the pure contradiction of the one all good, all powerful, all wise God is as present now as it was at the time that Franklin wrote his document. Many of the same evils exist now as they did then and new ones have arisen as others have faded. Simple evils that come to mind are theft, lechery, and murder. These in almost any light you put them under are still evil, which contradicts the thought that God lets nothing exist in the universe which is not in his liking, and evil would not be to his liking, because he is all good. Although stealing from someone whom stole something from you may seem to make things right, because the other person stole the item from you in the first place it does not make it right, because you are still a thief, making you the perpetrator of the second crime just as bad.
Franklin could not be blind to the crime around him with a tyrant for a king and a bunch of radical revolutionists leading revolts and attacks on British soldiers and shipments. Although revolutionists were committing crime against the tyrant king in retaliation for the way that he treated them does that make it good in God’s eyes? Not only that, but Franklin himself was a fan of going to find French ladies of ill repute, otherwise known as common whores or prostitutes which in itself is in no way a godly follower’s behavior.
Again there are evils that even now cannot be explained if there is indeed a God that is supposed to be all good. Molestation, want, pain, sickness and slavery are among these things. If there is a God as is to be believed in Franklin’s document then why do so many of these evils occur on a daily basis and why do so many of the crimes of humanity go unpunished by this all powerful God? Many of the people who have been hurt will never have true justice, as many of the guilty people of the world will not be prosecuted nor even brought to light as many of the victims of crimes may be embarrassed or there may not be enough evidence. Some people get it all too easy, as a murderer may sit in jail a lifetime, wasting our hard earned tax dollars while the innocent man convicted wrongly goes to his death by lethal injection for a crime he never committed. How is this good in the eyes of God? So either the man who beats his child to death is a good man or this almighty God is not all that he is cracked up to be.
God and religion were the staples of the Puritan lifestyle and so someone like Franklin would never outwardly say that he did not believe in God. To do such a thing at a time period such as the one Franklin lived in was to commit social suicide. No one would want to listen to his ideas if it was not supported by God, which initially is what our country was founded on. After all if you look at your dollar bill what does it say on it? In the Puritan times everything was based on the belief that there was an almighty God, a heaven and oddly enough a hell, which in itself is a contradiction of their beliefs, because hell is evil and therefore can not exist. So what then becomes of the Puritan man that does something evil and does not repent? This defying of the God logic may be why Puritans began to move away from the strict religious beliefs that ruled their everyday world.
Stranger yet than the Puritan logic may be that in Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence the preamble mentions God and that his entire document is based off God logic. Both Jefferson and Franklin’s documents hold the God logic to be self evident and so I must assume that at least Jefferson and most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were believers in God. Funny though that Jefferson in all his God logic overlooks the fact that his document is filled to the brim with complaints about a tyrant king which within God logic once more is not possible. I believe it to be rather ironic that the tyrant king Jefferson complains about treated the Americans like taxable property left in a storage bin to tax when needed, but to discard when needing attention or maintenance could exist if no evil exists by God logic. The God logic here is nearly as bad as when people claim they are going to war, because it is a “Holy War.” There is nothing good or holy about killing someone, because of a difference in your basic religious beliefs.
How does one say something that they mean, without truly saying it and without losing the respect of his or her peers whose beliefs may be very different from one’s own? You separate yourself from your subject and base a document off the subject in question and try to see just how many day to day contradictions you can find on the subject. Franklin as satirical as I believe him to be did just that weeding out all these beliefs that do not make sense in a world that was and is stilled quiet filled with chaos which can’t exist, because it is evil.

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Benjamin Franklin Essay

Benjamin Franklin was being very satirical as he wrote this, for example when you first begin to read his article he states “ I know my Scheme will be liable to many Objections from discerning Reader than yourself; but it is not designed for those who can’t understand it.”
Benjamin Franklin is being sarcastic and ridiculous throughout his entire writing. He would state what would be a fact and would then babble on until he had virtually talked himself in circles. While Mr. Franklin did this he in turn very much so contradicted himself continuously.
Such as; the fulfilling or Satisfaction of this Desire, produces the Sensation of Pleasure, great or small in exact proportion to the Desire. As he explains this he may kind have ran on instead of getting straight to the point, as shown in his statement below.
“Pleasure is that Satisfaction which arises in the Mind upon, an is caus’d by, the accomplishment of our Desires, and by no other Means at all; and those Desires being above shewn to be caused by our Pains or Uneasinesses, it follow that Pleasure is wholly caus’d by Pain, and no other Thing at all.”
As this may show that he would use a simple statement, then follow it with an example then he ran this example into the ground. S he may talk around in circles he yet continues to keep it interesting, by attempting to place in poor humor.
Benjamin Franklin believes that the Almighty God created this earth and world that we know. Who is said to be all wise all-powerful and all good. We believe that God if he is all-good the that there is no doubt that he is good. God’s life was taken for all the sins that we have committed.
The puritans believe in total depravity and that because Adam fell every human must then be born sinful. Believing that God only saves those he wishes, no matter if we are cleaned of our sins. Jesus died for the chosen only but not for everyone.
Puritans believe that being rich or poor ranks every man. They live with two rules justice and mercy.
“Thus stands the cause between God and us: we are entered into convenant with Him for this work; we have taken our commission, the Lord hath given us leave to draw our own articles,.. If we shall neglect the observation of these articles.. The Lord will surely break out in wrath against us. Therefore, let us choose life, that our seed and we may live; by obeying. His voice and cleaving to Him, for He is our life and our prosperity.”
It seems as the Puritans believe that any wrongdoing can not e forgiven and that they will be sinned. Where as Mr. Franklin believes that if there is evil then God must have allowed it, because God has all power. Puritans live by a certain line of rules and that’s how they live not leaving these rule believing that they will sin. He chooses there life he gave the there seeds and he let them live they believe He can take it away just as quick as He gave it to them.
Benjamin Franklin believes that if we have committed evil then he must have allowed for us to. Mr. Franklin believes that if God creates a creature then it must receive all power from him. Therefore if we do a wrongdoing then God must have allowed it.
Thomas Jefferson’s opening lines to the Declaration of Independence are inferring about the laws of nature and of natures God entitles to them. In Benjamin Franklin’s article A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain is discussing his beliefs on God and how he created this world.
Thomas Jefferson believes that it may be necessary one person to dissolve the political bands. This makes a certain separation between the laws of nature and the nature of the laws that God has created for us. Mankind’s opinion requires that they should declare the causes in which makes them impel them to the separation.
Both writings led us to believe that men are created equal, and that we have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Believing that both God created this earth so therefore he makes the guidelines in which we follow. God has the power and all the wisdom for all of mankind.
Thomas Jefferson’s beliefs are that we had to get a form of government to keep order between us and for us people to be able to keep our rights.

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I think that Benjamin Franklin. Agreed with what he had written in this paper. Because I think that he agreed with what he said. I don’t think that Ben had intended to make people mad or upset with this paper. His not saying in the paper that this is what he believes I what it says. I don’t think that he was trying to make fun of people whit his paper.

Nothing is good about disease. They are bad they can kill people and put them in a lot of pain. It can all so hurt the family of the person to if they die from it. It is all so a good thing because if no person died of diseases or got them they would live for along time. Then the world would have too many people on it. But diseases are bad because they can make people suffer through there death. That bad for the person because they will want to just die instead of living eney more.

The puritans believe that humans start out evil and they must overcome it. That they have to make there selves better as a person. That you are only good if god says you are that god chooses who will go to heaven. It all so says that you can not make your self better as a person. The bible tells everyone what to do with your life. Ben’s paper is some what of the same. They have differences like that god chooses who will go to heaven. But it all so says that you have to work your way to heaven.

In the declaration of independence it says that all men are created equal. Ben Franklin says that if god created every thing are all he creates is good and equal to each other. Jefferson also says that the creator give them certain unalienable right. Ben says that god had gave everyone rights that they have to have.